Pelosi, Schumer and the like are corporate Democrats bought and sold by monied special interests. They hate progressives because the status quo is how they make money and maintain power.
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Because democrats would rather lose an election than make any moderate progress forward.
Abdul wants to spend on Americans, the billions we give to Israel to further the genocide of Palestinians, instead.
That’s it. That’s enough for establishment Dems to consider him an enemy. If you aren’t Israel First, they will try to bury you.
I just hope people like Abdul can get into office and put an end to this nonsense. Thanks to all the money we give Israel, they get to enjoy free universal healthcare, free college, and affordable housing. We have none of that in the US.
I know how you didn't mean it this way, but your first sentence almost sounds like Abdul wants to spend the money on the genocide of Americans instead haha
“The money we send to Israel is not going to pay for all of that, so we should just keep sending it.”
Because they are moderate neo liberals, not moderate Democrats. They should not be considered a part of the coalition ever.
“Moderate” Democrats? As in neoliberals? That is to say, conservatives. Gee, I wonder.
Not moderate democrats. Conservative democrats. Calling them moderate is what the corporate media does to keep shifting the Overton window to the right. These people are the extreme right wing of their party.
Agreed. They're poison pills trying to pull the party of the New Deal and the Civil Rights Act towards corpo-fascism. They need to be unequivocally expelled and shunned.
They aren’t just the extreme right wing of their party, they are extreme right wing, period. Being left wing starts with being anti-capitalist and progresses further left depending on the means you are willing to use to end it and achieve socialism.
Not moderate democrats. Conservative democrats.
The issue is they are the moderate ones. We have either conservative or slightly progressive dems.
These people are the extreme right wing of their party.
Sadly that is what the party wants the dems to be
Sadly that is what the party wants the dems to be
Polling doesn't agree. Especially on Israel.
Do you even have to ask? The establishment views keeping control of the party as their raison de etre, beating the republicans is secondary. Keeping faith with their monied backers and or blackmailers is first priority, the party was captured a half century back.
because centrist dems would rather lose than let an anti israel vote into congress, despite the massive majority of dem voters who dont support israel.
Because a modern "centrist" or "moderate" Democrat is just a Republican from the 80s with some paint slapped over some spots.
Democrats are afraid of missing out on the use of acceptable bigotry. They love to be biggots for largely acceptable bigotries when they can. It is the easiest way for them to guard against leftist policies. They have never been there to move the needle. They are there to take credit for the move when forced to by decades of civil rights movements making progress. They mostly serve as a filter that makes sure that those policies are as diluted and ineffective as possible.
They don't offer any real material improvements from their policies; so their entire appeal rest on the idea of inclusive and progressive policies. They rarely actually fight for them and quickly push away minority groups when they think they need to to win. Harris 2024 immigration ads being the obvious one. Or the awful immigration policies they tried to push before the 2024 election that basically gave Republicans everything they wanted. And now just openly transphobic Democrats running for elections.
The most acceptable bigotry in this country that reaches further than immigrants or LGBTQ people is rascism towards arabs and Muslims. The Democrats have always reached towards what they perceive as "the center" to portray themselves as "reasonable" when the bigotry is more largely accepted. In this country, rascism towards arabs and Muslims is very much the center, unfortunately.
Democrats won't actually stand on the principles that they pretend to have. When, a Muslim man starts talking about policy that has actual material impact and improvements, their donors can't have that. They'll associate them with 9/11, they hold the place of the acceptable bigotry in order to do their actual function. Which is to serve the interest of the capitalist class that line their pockets.
Pelosi can fuck off to hell. Stevens can fuck off to hell. Israel can fucking stew in their own shit just like we are. Fuck Israel fuck corpo Dems and APIAC fucks.
They pretend to be dems with legitimate concerns while serving the interests of their corporate donors, which also serves Republican interests. They’re billionaire’s lap dogs being paid to disrupt the dem-leaning side.
Pelosi - California rep
Donny Deutsch - former MSNBC host based in NYC
These people don't even live in Michigan. The headline of this article, and others like it, are completely manufactured by mass media.
Probably for the same reason left wing democrats bash centrist democrats.
The left wing Democrats has the higher moral ground of you ask me.
Then perhaps that's why you're confused about why moderate dems are attacking Abdul?
Well, the corpse that is neoliberalism which "moderate Dems" have been dragging despite the abominable unpopularity is what Abdul is attacking to begin with.
Also, Stevens lost but is somehow making it about her even with the offer to campaign with him.
The better question is why this community is full of shitty articles talking about how bad the democrats are right before the midterms.
I swear it’s right-wing and Russia propaganda.
Your shitty cult is sabotaging progressive democrats and are helping the right wing
No need to sabotage leftists they do it to each other.
No it is you shifty side who do it. It is you shifty side who go to fox news to attack follow dems and agree with the fascists
Whereas you think centrists going against the will of their voters doesnt count as sabotage?
Yeah I’m republican that’s why I’m trying to get democrats in power to limit the damage republicans can do.
Do you fucking hear yourself?
You like democrats who go to fox news to agree with the fascists
You’re trying to depress the vote turn out so the republican can spend two more years dismantling the government, taking away human rights and straight up killing peopke they disagree with.
You are defending the democrats who support Republicans bigotry attack on democrats who want you to have universal health care and do not want your money to go to Israel
I am supporting the only party who have a chance to remove the republicans from power.
By not supporting the only party who have a chance to remove the republicans from power you are supporting the republicans and their policies.
The article talk about Nancy sabotaging a democrat so his republican oponent wins , then you have the audacity to claim that you oppose republicans and that you want democrats to win. You are supporting the democrats that want Republicans to win
It gives attention and air time to the party wing who do little more than hold the status quo and maybe send some angry letters. Letting others hear their claims of how bad the prog members are is counter productive in the same way airing the attack ads from Republicans would be.
Thanks for proving my point.
You so stupid if you think my comment proved your point
No point engaging with you if you’re just going to throw around petty insults.
Here’s a tip - take a break on theory and try studying a bit of reality.
Yeah fuck off troll
Lmao the inevitable conclusion of an exchange with SatansMaggottyCumFart is someone saying “fuck off troll.”
I was about to wade in and warn you that he’s nothing but a troll, but you already reached found out 😂
I will defend you when the revolution comes.
Why are democrats talking about how bad their candidate is? If they weren't doing that this article wouldn't exist and we wouldn't be talking about it.
Maybe don't run defense for the group actively trying to sabotage the midterms.
Better question is why are shitty dems actively trying to tank candidates right before the election.
Two out of two hundred and fourteen.
Not even one percent of them.
I can’t wait until midterms when the ‘democrats bad’ crowd crawl under a rock for another two years.
We both know it's more than 2
I can wait until midterms when the ‘democrats bad’ crowd crawl under a rock for another two years.
They'd go away if the dems stopped actively being terrible
They’re the only party with a chance against the republicans.
I’d much rather have Trump’s power limited and start working with a party that has a chance than what we’re doing now.
So you are actually upset the dems are terrible and just angry at people acknowledging it?
Attacking those that want them to be better isn't the way to win
I’m not attacking anyone I’m saying what you and people like you are doing a couple days before the midterms is self-defeating unless you want Trump to keep power over the next two years.
Again attacking people.
The better question is why this community is full of shitty articles talking about how bad the democrats are right before the midterms.
I swear it’s right-wing and Russia propaganda.
And this was you calling anyone criticizing the dems for being extremely dumb Russian propaganda.
I’m not attacking anyone I’m saying what you and people like you are doing a couple days before the midterms is self-defeating unless you want Trump to keep power over the next two years.
Again the dems continuous failures and losses to republicans are entirely on them not the ones calling out their spectacular ability to snatch defeat from certain victory. Burying heads in the sand to avoid that is what continues the shit cycle
Are articles people now?
Did you read any of the previous comment?
Yeah I said the community was full of shitty articles and you said that was attacking people.
Stevens and the moderates are the ones decreasing turnout, that's the entire point. They would rather dems lose, than lose control of the party.
Not for the right reasons. He should be bashed for being a landlord, for trying to help redeem Obama and Harris, for being a capitalist on and on.
The answer is pretty clearly stated:
It’s wrong, and it isn’t a reflection of the Democrats in the Congress of the United States.
The issue with a lot of the far left is that "allyship" is prioritized to the point where it's impossible for anyone to denounce anything or anyone as long as it's nominally "on our side."
on multiple occasions I've found leftists that are incapable of even denouncing Hamas, a terrorist organization that has deliberately murdered women and children. Should be very easy to say "I'm pro-Palestine, but I denounce Hamas, those guys aren't a part of my movement." But we don't want to offend any allies so let's not say anything like that!
So if you're in an extreme allyship culture it's difficult to understand someone saying they don't want to be associated with someone even if they are on the same side on many issues. The enemy of my enemy is not always my friend.
Really the pro-Palestinian movement would have a lot more success if it could separate itself from terrorist groups like Hamas and from overt antisemitism. But vibe-based internet movements with no clear goals are incapable of understanding when someone that's nominally "on your side" is more of a liability than an asset.
The uncommitted movement are explicitly single issue voters, and GOP is way better at attracting vaguely racist single issue voters into their tent. If the Democratic Party becomes a party that is about appeasing the vaguely racist single issue voters, then how is it any different from the GOP? The typical "both sides are the same" voter suppression tactic becomes true at that point.
And sure you may be used to being the ones labeling others as being racist and it really stings when you're the ones being labelled as such. But it's obvious that while not everyone that's critical of Israel is antisemitic, all antisemites are critical of Israel. Do you need an Venn diagram? Given the anti-Israel coalition refuses to recognize there is any antisemitism in the ranks (must never reject an ally!), they're not doing anything about it. Must never criticize those that criticize Israel!
But yeah criticizing people, even those within the same party is normal. What's actually weird is being incapable of having any kind of rational response to it, other than to attack. Always attack never defend, the mantra of cults everywhere.
It's also obvious that the uncommitted are more comfortable with being allies with Hamas and overt antisemites than being allies with the Democratic party.
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