LGBTQ+ views face growing intolerance from Chinese state
Insert the "always has been" meme because I have seen this reaction from the chinese government for a very long time.
LGBTQ+ views face growing intolerance from Chinese state
Insert the "always has been" meme because I have seen this reaction from the chinese government for a very long time.
fucking calling the CIA the good guys who love and support queer people. you know; real communists.
I mean I post on both those fairly regularly and am a lot closer to that political ideology than I am to a server like .world. I don't really see how it's hypocritical?
I don't think there are actually many people who would claim that China is a perfect society in every perceivable way. I think most just tend to compare the same issue with prominent Western countries, and in contrast...... It's hard to argue with a lot of the times.
You must not read comments too much if you've totally missed all the posts discussing trans rights, or lack thereof, in the U.S. while being painfully silent on posts like this.
I mean shit, just a few weeks ago I was literally met with whataboutism on a post about a woman being executed for blasphemy in Iran.
But what about the live execution?
Says the .mler.
I don't have the patience to go through each and every individual instance of hypocrisy coming out of .ml or hexbear. Feel free to continue posting there.
You must not read comments too much if you've totally missed all the posts discussing trans rights, or lack thereof, in the U.S. while being painfully silent on posts like this.
In my experience most people on hex don't post on .world?
Plus.... I am actively discussing this as someone who shares a lot of the same sentiment. You aren't bringing anything to the current discussion, you're just attacking a straw man.
I was literally met with whataboutism on a post about a woman being executed for blasphemy in Iran.
And? You're currently their logical fallacy to justify your own logical fallacy.
don't have the patience to go through each and every individual instance of hypocrisy coming out of .ml or hexbear.
I didn't ask you too? I was giving you an opportunity to have a conversation about the topic you claimed no one would dare talk about out of fear of hypocrisy......you chose to complain about it instead?
Yeah this level of willfull ignorance is about what I'd expect from someone who frequents .ml and hexbear communities.
Lol, willfully ignorant and yet the only person who wants to address the actual topic? Even though that was your original dispute.......
I have addressed the topic, you've tried to move the goalposts and I haven't let you.
Feel free to continue to flail.
Your original statement was that ml or hex wouldn't address the topic because it would be hypocritical. I am someone who frequents those subs, I am addressing the topic. How am I being hypothetical?
You listed anecdotal statements you claim others have made that you claim make them hypocritical, but you haven't addressed this topic or my response. You continue to just argue with strawmen instead of the person in front of you.
Here's the rhetorical technique used to move the goalposts:
A comment predicting general avoidance of a certain cognitive dissonance in a community.
A reply then states, here I am, talking about it, thus you are wrong.
The trick is a categorical blurring by shifting the discussion about general behaviour of a group to that of one individual who implies that they are a sufficient representative of that community to settle the argument.
C'mon, they were talking about the tenor of conversation in an echo chamber. Pay attention.
comment predicting general avoidance of a certain cognitive dissonance in a community.
Aka making an unsupported assumption.
reply then states, here I am, talking about it, thus you are wrong.
The important distinction is that I am willing to address the validity of accusation of hypocrisy from my own perspective. I didn't just state here I am therefore you are wrong. I already made a general statement on this thread, and invited a person to explain their reasoning.
trick is a categorical blurring by shifting the discussion about general behaviour of a group
The perceived behaviour of a group described by an echo chamber*
sufficient representative of that community to settle the argument.
I can only give my perspective and the anecdotal accounts of what I have witnessed while engaging with the group. Just as they can only give their perspective and anecdotal accounts of their interactions. The difference is that I am willing to discuss my perspective while they have only relied on anecdotes.
tenor of conversation in an echo chamber
Can't tell if you are being self aware and acknowledging your participation in an echo chamber or making an accusation......
Yes this is exactly why I stated I don't have the patience to discuss this with you. Your type loves to suggest that in order to prove my point I need to supply an essays worth of cited instances of hypocrisy across a multitude of posts. I don't care nearly enough about proving myself right as you do proving me wrong, especially considering you don't read posts with .ml or hexbear user interaction in the first place.
You'll bend over backwards defending these hypocrites after proving you've done nothing to actually inform yourself on their actions within many different threads. Somehow you've convinced yourself this is an echo chamber, despite hexbear being the definitive echo chamber spawned from /r/chapostraphouse rejects. Not only that, they've been defederated by how many different sites at this point?
Inb4 more willfull ignorance proving that this is, indeed, a waste of my time.
Lol, you could have just explained your reasoning behind why you think it would be hypocritical in the time you took to write that. You are making a lot of assumptions and excuses to avoid the topic you brought up in the first place.
Mmk, you can spin about it with whoever you've been talking about this interaction with.
If only there was anything to talk about.....
Oh yes I'm sure there's nothing to talk about, that's why your responses have been getting longer and longer.
With the exception of this one.
Oh yes, the 'socialist' china, where you disappear if you make an independent workers union. Or get surveilled if you are a Marxist trying to bring up inhumane working conditions.
The freedom in this corpocratic regime just overflows any imaginable roof. The west sucks so bad, I can write about it and I wont get fucked for it.
Yes i think china should dissolve together with United States of Nvidia. Because both are corpocratic regimes killing people and having imperislist ambitions.
Lol I knew entering the comments on an article negative towards China was going to be a bloodbath. Seeing all of the deleted comments, it seems I missed it.
All these comments being removed for rule one is heavy handed moderation.
Nothing said was untrue or not civil.
I don't get why the comments so far got deleted. They are all justified and don't violate any of the rules here.
Is there any other literature on China’s stance on LGBTQ rights? I’m genuinely trying to learn and it feels like from what I’ve been reading they are pretty much on par with the US (maybe slightly worse)
they are pretty conservative, of course they used to execute lgbtq+, but stoppeda while ago. the ones that immigrated to the US, still holds those same value, they believe its wrong. am from an asian family. same goes for most of asia, but not first generation descent. china is already pretty anti-immigration, they dont actually immigrate people that much to country very low like less than 20k on average per year, plus you have to denounce your citizenship of the country you were born from first.
Consider discussing the actual article instead of other instances or vagueposting about people not even in this post!
Before everyone loses their mind in either direction with this one, remember that the CCP is communist in the same way the DPRK is democratic, or arguably the US at this point.
They just have differently flavored authoritarians in charge who are trying to launder their image under the auspices of other ideologies.
“At this point”? Since always for the US surely.
Yeah since when has the United States not been a genocidal slaver state run by religious nutjobs hellbent on squeezing everyone they can for the most possible profit extraction?
I cannot think of a point in history.
I think a good policy most people should take is to ignore everything any American news source says about China.
wife’s still saddened by everyone online that were arrested by authorities, and haven't return since.
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