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[–] 108 points 2 weeks ago

Meanwhile in a meeting room in Stockholm:

Remember how we reduced music piracy to an insignificant amount by making the legal choice convenient and relatively affordable? I forgot! So let's torpedo our business.

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  • [–] 69 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Those who fail to scan the address verification QR code within seven days will see their account demoted to the free tier and be barred from joining any other Duo or Family plan for 12 months.

    Well that's pretty crummy. That's a very long ban, and a lot of extra money.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    I have to give location permission to a music app?!

    I wonder if you can you log in on a new phone once you got the notification

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    location permission

    It doesn't really say that, I don't think? It only says you need to be "in the same place", because you need to scan a QR code, right?

    Nothing really preventing you both from just sending the QR code via message either... 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] 59 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    spotify single-handedly increasing music piracy rates back to napster levels

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    There is a certain poetry to them recreating the problem they solved.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago

    i just hope this means people will start buying music again. 1-10 dollars for an album containing 5-20 DRM free music files is probably better value in the long run than spotify's subscription ever was. and with navidrome, mpd, and its clients, managing them was never easier; plus artists get way more of that profit. everyone wins.

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  • [–] 49 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Don’t forget the warmongering Spotify do. Their profits pays to create tech that’s aimed at killing you.

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  • [–] 48 points 2 weeks ago

    If they want it to be a household plan, they should call it that instead of falsely advertising it as a family plan.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 weeks ago

    Using a different music service is so easy. You can't even use the excuse that your friends are all on there. Stop giving them your money.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 weeks ago (17 children)

    If they do this to me, I have zero reason to stay with them. My ex pays for it. If they kick me off because my physical address is no longer the same, I won't use them. I'm sure he will stop paying for the daily plan and go back to free or, use a different app altogether. Good luck spotify. Did you learn nothing from Netflix?

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  • [–] 32 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (14 children)

    Netflix actually ended up with an increase in subscribers from their crackdown. Maybe Spotify did learn from Netflix.

    Netflix tweeted in March of 2017 that “Love is sharing a password” before launching its own enforcement policies in May of 2023. Later that year, Netflix raised prices up to 17 percent, and by April of 2024, the company saw the policy pay off with 9.3 million added subscriptions and a 54 percent bump in operating income.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

    Their stock is down 40% YoY and they are cutting thousands of staff including their director of content. Looks like it bought them 24 months of bluster and then their watchtimes plumetted.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

    There's no reason to believe that that's related to the family plan enforcement, so it's really not relevant to this discussion

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

    It is relevant to the stock price discussion, which was the dfense of the family plan enforecement.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    The metric of interest in the context is the effects on churn/subscriber conversion, in which Netflix significantly overperformed following the enforcement of family plan rules.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    And has since underperformed. Their watch times have not followed their subscriptions and investors are concerned.

    So the enforcement resulting in more subscribers could be seen as short lived given the results for netflix.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    A drop in consumption could be equally well explained by lacking content quality, leading to disinterest in consumption.

    Arguably better explained, given that they laid off the director of content.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    Now that people can't share maybe they're more discerning about keeping that subscription?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    I'm not really clear on what you mean here - Netflix are not having any trouble with their subscriber growth/churn numbers

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    But their subscriber growth is not increasing their market share or stock price.

    Which is why you would do that.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    It is increasing their revenue, which is the intended effect

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  • [–] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Soulseek, people. Just pirate things and send money directly to artists (or buy merch). Fuck all these streaming companies

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    I have 8k albums in my personal collection, but I've been building it for years, most everything is pirated or shared between friends or purchased on bandcamp. I stream it while via plexamp when I'm working or not at home, it's very nice.

    I can also connect to my friends Plex servers. My one friend has 35k albums.

    Proof in case someone doesn't believe me haha

    Edit: damn he's up to 39k

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  • [–] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Navidrome.

    “We'll heave and haul and roar o'er the dark blue wave!”

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  • [–] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    If you're going to pay for music, buy it DRM free on bandcamp etc, or CDs and rip them, you can make multiple copies and anyone in your family can play them at any time. Shitify is a joke.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    "analysts are confident that music streaming services such as Spotify can enforce strict account policies, raise prices, and still make more money."

    They looked at Netflix and Disney and they are right. This is a no brainer if you're a business. There's literally no downside other than angry comments online.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Normies are getting into Stremio and normies will eventually get into a music pirating app if this continues.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    What is this Stremio you speak so freely of?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Stremio + torrentio + real debrid into your favorite search engine or ai and you will find the way.

    Iptv is another option but it’s a bit less user friendly on getting an account.

    Stremio is basically Netflix if it had any movie or show you could ever dream of once set up correctly.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    And people have scoffed at me for buying individual songs on iTunes instead of just jumping in bed with Spotify....

    No matter how bad my financial situation becomes, as long as I can still charge my iPhone I will have access to not only my full music library, ad free, I also have access to the 50+ audio books I have bought on Apple Books completely ad free.

    I just need a way to download the audio books without DRM and save them on my home server to feel fully at ease.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    whats a good way to find new music based on a curated library/playlist/settings? i’m on apple for now but yeah.. this has always been rough finding new tunes or artists.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago*

    Bandcamp radio. Every other day a show for each major genre: hip hop, indie, electronic, metal, experimental, jazz. Every two weeks? best of music overall with bandcamp selects. Lots of good stuff. Fun insightful interviews. Made by humans for humans.

    Pitchfork. Articles about new music. Tons of recommendations for every genre, from Olivio Rodriga (an obscure artist) to Olivia Rodrigo.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    I haven't used it in a while since I don't have an active account there, but I really liked the randomizer in Deezer. It always showed me interesting songs that I hadn't heard before.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    Deezer is also pretty lenient with its family plan so far. However so is YouTube. YouTube family, which includes YouTube music, isn’t even excessively expensive if you actually share it between 6 people.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    They did something like that once a few years ago. I didn‘t see their email and my account was swiftly permanently blocked from the program. No chance to appeal. I was pretty upset for a moment, then made a new account and connected it to the family account. If they kick me out again I‘m gone for good.

    I‘m not paying the kind of money they‘re asking for to listen to some music and podcasts that run ads and sponsor segments. Discoverability became insanely bad years ago. Most of their recommendations are obvious product placements that they‘re not declaring properly.

    So yeah, looks like Spotify is about to extract some more money from customers with dubious methods short term and losing a lot of us long term. But I am prepared.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    Why not just use Qobuz instead?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    It's a temporary solution. they're bound to enshittify if they ever come close to spotify's popularity. or they'll just get bought out before getting there

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Even if a temporary solution, it's better than sticking with spotify in the mean time.

    Qobuz also advertise their family and duo plans as being among friends that aren't living in the same house. So it's not just something they don't police, they actively allow it.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    atp, if you're already moving services why not jump to one that guarantees that you will own your media, for free, instead of paying a subscription for something that may actively get worse down the line

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    You can do both. I do. I'm never going to own absolutely everything I want to listen to because I'm not that rich, so i only buy my favourites as flacs or vinyls. But there's still 1000s of songs I love and will want to listen to on the reg. And then there's the songs i don't yet know about too.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    any media that requires a permission from an external party to play can and will eventually be taken from you. at least qobuz seems to be drm-free (i don't use the service, so don't quote me on that) so you should be able to make a copy of what you listen to. at least before they enshittify.

    still, i'd personally not feel comfortable entrusting a streaming service with being the gatekeeper of the media i want long-term access to.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    Their purchased songs are drm free, obviously if you just stream them you're just borrowing them. Personally i use qobuz for streaming for discovering new music and to listen to stuff i don't yet or may never own, and on the side i buy albums of my favourites either as flacs from various drm free stores, or as vinyls, or both.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago

    'Burn baby burn' is possibly the most appropriate song for them

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago

    And of course, this happens at the same time as they're announcing a price increase

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    Take picture of QR on primary phone. Send photo with QR to people on the family plan

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    They are not that dumb. Apparently the code changes every few minutes (or seconds). Just a matter of time until they also check geolocation and/or IP during the scan.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago

    Actually they probably already have geolocation enabled because the article says the family member needs to be at the same location when they scan the code.

    I guess family plans are for members who live at the same house. If someone moves away to college then they can't be a part of the family anymore.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

    I mean a simple video call where you share your screen, and some network thing/config might solve that? If they’re not given exact/precise location on eg your phone, will they default to country/city? There must be some workarounds to these silly things.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    I need to get a RED account, ugh, the entrance test seems annoying but I want to selfhost my own music.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago

    This is desperation just like the disney ad thing.

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    TIL that there are dozens of websites to find strangers to put on their own family plan to get some extra cash, meanwhile they will manage the payments

    I wouldn't have imagined that there would be that many.

    Paying a third party service to get into a stranger's family plan is against the ToS, so at that point, if you're willing to go against the ToS you can do it for free

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago

    Oh shit, I'm in trouble

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago

    I'm not on Spotify, but I'd like to use Qobuz. Sadly it's not available where I live. The idea is great though, listen whatever I want with an option to purchase drm free albums I like the most.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)

    Ive spent all day working on a way to move my family off Spotify.

    Ive settled on navidrome behind wireguard and a signal chat where they can request music. The requests are filtered through AI to format it before they are fed into sksld to be downloaded and moved into the respective family members navidrome library.

    Will it work, I'm not sure but ive spent so much effort and I'm gonna be sad if they dont even try it out.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    Christ, that UX sounds horrifying, honestly. I'm sure they appreciate your effort, but realistically I wouldn't expect anyone to use it over any streaming solution

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago* (4 children)

    They are mostly set in their ways music wise so once I have 95% of their music which ive already done via Spotify cloning. It shouldnt be to many individual requests. I dont know I think saying !music chapel roan expectations and then having it show up a few mins later isnt to bad of a UX.

    But yeah I don't know how else to make it better. It can never be "search and find any song" like Spotify. I did look into writing a plugin to hook it to soulseek but it didnt seem like it would be doable at my.level.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    I use the slsk interface. It’s fine popping a few songs at once.

    I generally hate Ai but I used it to tidy the old lists I had and present in the organisation level I wanted (albums etc) I then found a script, that when ran finds and DLs those playlists. It gets it about 95% right.

    For navidrome it’s not great with the info pulled from music beats etc. I was trying to do it manual then I found a tool that lets me match an album to the music. It’s created for missing data/covers.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    The free tier 3 ads per song will get them.

    Test out which navidrome client each person would prefer yourself. I made the mistake of first advising Amperify to someone who likes to listen on shuffle instead of by album.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Is navidrome hardened enough to expose to the internet? i think my sister would like to use the sharing function which is currently locked since its only available inside our lan

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

    Probably I mean it’s built to not edit your mp3s (for better or worse), it’s written in GoLang yay but who knows in this age.

    Currently I’m only hosting it on LAN and relying on song caching of outside but I wouldn’t be too worried about opening it up.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Why not aurral + lidarr + slskd/qbittorrent/sabnzbd? There's good solutions out there for exactly that problem, no need to create cursed hard to maintain setups like that

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Oh fuck I knew there was an easier way. Ive already gone ahead and created it. I did wireguard with navidrome then for music requests they have to sent a message on signal and for deleting they have to add a song to a playlist called delete. And thats the clean part on the backend its messy lots of python scripts with hardcoded api keys user's and paths.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago*

    Just? He's been providing receipts for at least a couple of years.

    Apologies, clicked wrong thread.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    This won't really make them more money. Considering there's better services like YouTube Music.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    anyone suprised?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    My navidrome subscription just blocked my daughter...

    No, wait, that was me, nevermind.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Wait, why did you block your daughter on your free Navidrome?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    She complained that there were no Korean bands in it, so that became a "Iron Maiden, Billy Joel, The Prodigy, none of them were Korean, GTFO, get a job and go pay for Spotify or something (or use Vivi 😁)". Now, guess my age.

    Nah, she blocked herself from my server entirely because she was VPNing into our self-hosted services to a country blocked, and it was just too much fun watching her trying to figure out why we all had access to everything and she didn't 🤣🤣.

    I told her to install Verney and she did figure out the reason and split tunneling eventually.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    All the songs I listen to on Spotify I downloaded to have offline. There are a few apps out there that actually rip from Spotify instead of finding the song on Youtube or other services, and I actually have all in Opus 320kbps quality. Ofc I share a family subscription with my friends. If they were to give me just a week, I would simply start downloading anything I have not downloaded yet. For anything else I could rip from youtube, and once a year, buy a month of subscription just to rip all songs in higher quality and cancel again.

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