Fat and slim are opposites. Make it make sense.

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[–] 48 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Fat chance is sarcastic, slim chance is direct

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Yeah, no.

    ......what? No, sorry, I was offering another example, not replying to your salient point. ;-)

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago

    That ones slightly different though, because that "yeah" means "OK" or "uh", not "yes" in this context. Its just a way to give your brain extra time to think of a response.

    pedantic, yes, but I enjoy that

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  • [–] 80 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    The phrase "fat chance" was likely originally used sarcastically. A quick search doesn't show any consensus, though.

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  • [–] 36 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    According to this stackexchange:

    fat chance is like a cynical no chance:

    You think you can win the lottery? Fat Chance.

    slim chance is when there is a small possibility. It does not infer any hidden meaning.

    Even though I did not study, there is a slim chance that I will pass the test.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    "Are you up for it?" and "Are you down for it?" both mean the same thing too

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  • [–] 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    They don't mean the same thing as I understand them. Slim chance means there's a chance but fat chance means practically no chance.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    Depends on context. "Slim chance" might technically allow for a small chance, but a lot of the time it's used, it's used to indicate that the speaker considers there to be no actual chance. Like if you say "That's probably not gonna work" you probably actually mean "I believe that is going to not work".

    But this discussion is interesting, because I'd imagine "fat chance" only came about as a sarcastic way of saying slim/no chance. I'm pretty sure it's like "disgruntled" where nobody is actually gruntled. Language is delightful. :)

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  • [–] 16 points 2 weeks ago

    Fat chance is ironic, slim chance is not. it's just that nobody uses fat chance in a non sarcastic manner.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    because the persons who came up with those phrases were Biggie Smalls and FatBoy Slim

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  • [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago

    Full sayings:

    • slim chance
    • fat chance in hell

    The "in hell" gets dropped from fat chance making the colloquialism confusing.

    This is similar to the "blood is thicker than water" shortening of "the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb", people who have always heard the first one often use it as an argument for " family sticks together "; when the saying really means the bonds we form of our own choosing are stronger than any presumed by family.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago

    Slim chance is the objective way of expressing a low likelihood. Fat chance is a colloquial expression using irony. You say one thing but mean the opposite. It's more often used as just a quippy two-word reply.

    Language doesn't make sense. When flammable and inflammable can mean the same thing, all bets are off. You cannot make sense of these things; you can only accept them.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago* (6 children)

    Likewise, “all but impossible” sounds like the probability is anywhere above zero (0, 1]. Counterintuitively, what it really means is that it is actually very close to zero. So maybe something like [0, 0.1]. Should zero be included in this interval?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago*

    Fat Chance is pretty much always sarcastic. However most other common sarcastic phrases are also used sincerely, so it's actually kind of unique. You could say Phat Chance though which would probably be sincere.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago

    I think "fat" is sarcastic. At least that's how it reads to me.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    They're not the same though. "Fat" chance carries lard/tallow which can burn, so it is flammable. "Slim" chance has no lards or greases to burn, therefore it is "inflammable". /s

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  • [–] 27 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Because English is three languages in a trench coat pretending to be one language.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Wait until you find out a grill utensil is called a spatula but a tool to mix baking ingredients is also called a spatula.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    That's why I call the grill one a lifter. I work in an English speaking kitchen in a non English speaking country, so a lot of my coworkers believe me on things like this. I am also trying to get them to say pasghetti.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago

    Because fat chance is said sarcastically

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago

    This is how I felt when I tried to win an argument about 'deceptively deep' and found that usage was subjective and that 'deceptively shallow' could be used interchangeably

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago

    Fat and slim are both as far from the middle of the Gaussian;

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    "fat" ain't "good", brah. you gotta say "t h i c c"~

    jokes aside, it's mostly answered by other good comments here.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    A fat chance means the odds are so wide it would be impossible. Like, you have so many slim chances at once on different factors for it to remotely work.

    A slim chance means the odds are tight but there is an actual chance on a single factor.

    One slim chance is better than 40 slim chances focused on a single goal, so fat chance.

    When I use slim chance, I actually will try it if it isn't going to work and it wouldn't hurt to try.

    Fat chance means you shouldn't bother to try it. The stars would have to perfectly align.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    fat chance is said sarcastically

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  • [–] -2 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    Those expressions are stupid anyway. Say high/low probability instead.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    You want me to use a 5 syllable word when a 1 syllable word will do? Fat chance!

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago

    Flammable and inflammable mean the same thing.

    Literally means both literally and not literally.

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