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If You're Still Supporting Israel In 2025, There's Something Wrong With You As A Person (www.caitlinjohnst.one)
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/33358669

by Caitlin Johnstone
Jul 18, 2025

It’s 2025. Israeli soldiers are telling the Israeli press that they’re being ordered to massacre starving civilians trying to obtain food from aid centers. Countless doctors have been telling the world that Israeli snipers are routinely, deliberately shooting children in the head and chest throughout the Gaza Strip. Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and all the leading genocide experts and human rights authorities are saying that a genocide is being perpetrated in Gaza. The New York fucking Times just published an op-ed by a Zionist genocide scholar who’s finally admitting that it’s a genocide.

There’s no way to deny what this is anymore. If you still support Israel in the year 2025, it’s not because you don’t believe Israel is committing horrific atrocities. It’s because you believe those horrific atrocities are good, and you want to see more of them.

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[–] 67 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Supporting Israel at any time was wrong. Israel is an invader.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    100% agree.

    but want to sprinkle a wee bit of nuance.

    Israel had (and still has) a massive propaganda campaign.

    given information available, it would be easy for most people to come up with a vague "both sides" issue, or "they are terrorists and Israel is doing what it can to protect civilians from jihadi islamists"... Unless someone tried digging a bit and learn for themselves.

    However, after this latest phase of the genocide, everyone has seen dismembered babies, the endless humanitarian nightmares. and it wasn't hiding anywhere, everyone on practically every social media saw it.

    After this genocide, the only way anyone could support Israel, is if they have serious deficiency in some basic human emotions.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Yep. Ignorance is normal, but this genocide has been so blatant, proud, prolonged and prominent in media and institutions (e.g. ICC) that for most people, ignorance is no longer a reasonable excuse.

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    • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    100% this. it's a pill many people still don't want to swallow. how you could deny there's a genocide and Israel is a bad actor is beyond me. there's literal children who know better

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    • [–] 55 points 1 year ago

    Yes.

    Or as I prefer to phrase it, anyone who can look at what Israel is doing in Gaza without feeling horror, pity and revulsion is a monster.

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    [–] 33 points 1 year ago

    2025? I guess better late than never because no one in their right mind should ever support this violent ethno-nationalist exclusionary apartheid state.

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    [–] 24 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Not gonna lie, I feel like 2025 is way too generous. The only reason so many people are suddenly opposing Israel is because the overturn window has shifted and it is no longer popular to support Israel.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    USA and their puppets murdered millions directly and dozens, perhaps hundreds of millions indirectly since WW2. But they also control the biggest propaganda apparatus in history which specialty is manufacturing consent for all those atrocities. The case of current phase of Palestinian genocide is the first example the apparatus failed, and it can be felt since it still hold for all other atrocities perpetrated by US.

    Hell, even in this thread in generally left leaning instance we still have people defending and relativising even this genocide and its direct perpetrators.

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  • [+] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Resistance fighters do not have the same ambitions as Europeans (and traitorous dogs for Europe) pretending to be something they're not whom are actively desecrating land of, genociding and ethnically cleansing the Palestinians.

    Their goal is to reclaim land that rightfully belongs to them. If that has to happen with armed struggle, so be it, that's also well within their right.

    Comparing European settler-colonizers, that desecrate indigenous land with their European nude beaches and cultural powerhouses like mosques or synagogues or churches into European clubhouses, to the people that own the land, that suffer and sustain unheard, unspeakable and untold monstrous crimes and have done so for at least a hundred years, is the most ghoulish, most disgusting, most vile and psychotic thing ever to do, psycholib.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N3QhsiiCrU

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    [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Don't make these sweeping generalizations!

    Just because I don't support Israel doesn't mean there isn't something wrong with me as a person! /s

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    • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Israel government is especially bad but i would like to extend this to pretty much any government around the world. The genocide in gaza is possible only thanks to the support and aid of other states.

    If you're still supporting your government in 2025, there's something wrong with you as a person, you are most likely too selfish and don't care much about others.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    No, no. This is on Israel and the USA. The states fighting the genocide are treated as pariah states by the USA, committing acts of war against them (Iran, Yemen, Syria). Other countries have full hands against the most moronic idea of a president of the USA ever, whether in reality or in fiction, trying to protect their people. At some extent European countries should be ashamed too of their role in this, but honestly, they are just vassals of the USA which is ultimately the only one who can stop this without risking a war against a superpower.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    No. European countries and complicit Arab countries do not get a pass. The only government you should support are those that go directly against the genocide such as Yemen, Iran, Hezbollah.

    Hell, I've been a huge China simp for years, but even Chinas "neutrality", even while leaning towards support for Iran, tows the line for me. European countries aren't even neutral.

    "We have to support a genocide because....cheeto?" Isn't an excuse, especially when they supported the genocide the same way under Biden.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I think the USA is finally loosing strength and change is coming, but still no one wants to mess with them. The two or three countries that may have a chance against them, are not fond of this idea. No one real is willing to stop Israel right now, because it is in fact a protectorate of the USA, but that doesn't mean they support the genocide. Time is a luxury as well as a necessity right now.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    The only government you should support are those that go directly against the genocide such as Yemen, Iran, Hezbollah.

    Can we simply agree that there's no good government out there? You don't have to support one of them, support the people.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Other countries have full hands against the most moronic idea of a president of the USA ever, whether in reality or in fiction, trying to protect their people.

    Funny how that translates to the same exact pro-genocide stance they had under Biden.

    At some extent European countries should be ashamed too of their role in this, but honestly, they are just vassals of the USA

    So they're just following orders?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I know the genocide can be stopped by the USA, any other country may or may not.

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    • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Yes, 100%. People supporting genocidal maniacs have no ethics whatsoever.

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    [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Westerners need to realize that this also extents to the countries that support Israel. If you still support the USA, or the UK, or Germany, there is as much something wrong with you as a person as any Israel supporter.

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    • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    war crime charges, when please?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I think Netanyahu is wanted by the International Court?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    He is, but the western nations have collectively decided they won't enforce the warrant

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don't think they can. It would mean raiding the enemy country and starting a war with someone who has no qualms exterminating civilians.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well, they exist. TBF, the USA also has a president with a pending conviction or something seemingly irrelevant like justice.

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    • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    What 2025?
    This monstrosity should've never been created.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    There are millions of people who live in Israel who aren't on board with their government's slaughter of innocents. We should be talking about stopping them, sanctioning them even. But calling for death is no better than the people egging on their genocidal policies towards Palestinians.

    So, yes. It is 100% antisemitic to say "death to Israel". It's not antisemitic to say, "we must stop Israel and restore peace".

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    They're not calling for more human deaths, they're calling for the death of the STATE of Israel. If a government is perpetuating genocide it is certainly reasonable to wish for the dismantling of that government entity.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Fuck your language, they've been slaughtering babies for two years. Death to the genocidal state, death to the IDF, death to apartheid. From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And you "always had the option" of being culturally sensitive @skisnow I gather that "death to" comes about in translation to English from Arabic/Islamic cultures.A state or organisation is not alive. It can't "die". The "death" therefore must be figurative. "Death to America" is not the same as "Death to Americans", for example. "Death to Israel" and "Death to the IDF" are not calls to harm a living being.mondoweiss.net/2023/11/are-isr@pete_link @AlHouthi4President @buddascrayon @gallopingsnail @palestine@a.gup.pe @palestine@lemmy.ml #CrimesAgainstHumanity #genocide #Palestine #Israel #Gaza

    !["Anyone wishing to understand how the Holocaust was possible, how people who may be warm and kind in their personal lives could support the murder of an entire population deemed subhuman, should examine Israeli society."

    "... the zionist project, culminating in Israel, is profoundly contrary to Jewish traditions ... Israel has suppressed these Jewish traditions and ways of living while hijacking parts of them when convenient."

    "... the dismantling of Israel and the liberation of Palestine must also be a Jewish struggle — a struggle that should go far beyond Jews showing solidarity for Palestinians or simply not wanting to be oppressors. “Israeli” is a colonial identity that should be renounced, not just because it harms Palestinians but also because it is deeply anti-Jewish." — Yarden Katz](https://cdn.theblower.au/media_attachments/files/114/883/507/897/828/242/original/ed3b650bfe7c3d89.png)

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    'millions' is BS
    The protesters just are against Netanyahu for internal selfish reasons.
    They don't give a fuck about Palestinians.
    Like the rat Sanders always talking specifically about 'the Netanyahu government' as the culprit.
    Creating the ilusion that after he's gone it will be a democracy again to be supported while they always have been murderous scum.

    And “death to Israel” is not antisemitic.
    The illegal state shouldn't exist, so it should definitely die.
    Conflating shitrael with all jews is OC the tired and obvious cheap hasbara trick. Nice try tho.

    DEATH TO ISRAEL!!

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    • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Is the site down for anyone else? I've been trying to read this article for a couple days but it looks like it got the Lemmy hug of death!

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    [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Netanyahu must be stopped. And Israel supporters too. Maybe the UK should take all Israelis people and give back the land tho its rightful owners… free Palestine!

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    [+] -12 points 1 year ago*

    You are valuable as you are no matter what you believe. The baseline is: wonderful, complex, fascinating, soft and cuddly human being. The rest? You're working on it.

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