The intitial investigation is in.

In a “bizarre and unprecedented” cyber-attack, hackers had remotely overridden the temperature settings on thousands of freezers, fridges and chiller cabinets pushing them from as low as -27C (-16.6F) to well over 50C (122F).

If shop managers first assumed it was an isolated failure, it soon became clear up to 700 stores – including those from the Intermarché, Coopérative U, Carrefour, Leclerc and Monoprix chains along with a number of smaller independent shops – had been victims of a cyber-attack.

The hackers had pirated the controllers supplied by the Danish company Danfoss that controls the freezers and fridges. Most supermarket cold aisles are connected to the internet to allow remote maintenance and alerts for system failures. Initial investigations suggest the hackers disabled alarm systems before tampering with the thermostats, or extended the defrost programme by several hours to avoid triggering alarms.

Danfoss said it had identified security flaws last year and had “long recommended” that customers install updates or replace obsolete unsupported systems. The affected refrigeration units were “running outdated firmware”, it said. In the days following the first wave of attacks, France’s cyber-attack alert centre ANSSI confirmed supermarkets using controllers from two other companies were also targeted.

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[–] 57 points 3 weeks ago* (5 children)

Don’t connect your critical appliances to the internet…

Some fun reading for anyone interested https://cyberplace.social/@GossiTheDog/117429502412235079

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  • [–] 20 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Wow. Shit like that makes me think we all fucked up by not having licensing or certification for software engineers like we have with civil engineers. They've got a lot a lot of balls claiming they were “hacked” when every unit had the same easily guessable credentials.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Good point. It‘s bit like saying someone broke in when you let the door open. Here I suspected someone in this story used AI and that was the problem but no. They were just recklessly clumsy.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    But the door was locked! I locked it real good! They broke in, I was robbed!

    Oh, the key? I keep that well secured under the doormat. Also all the houses use the same key so they don't get mixed up, pretty convinient eh?

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    The issue is not that it was connected to the internet, the issue is that it should have been connected to a private VPN network so that monitoring can happen remotely but still securely (not to mention keeping fw updated and changing default passwords)

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  • [–] 32 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

    If I remember correctly, my understanding is that the fridges were running an ancient version of nginx, had the username admin, no password the password is reset daily to .. the current date and based on the information printed before logging in were easily found with a search engine.

    The "hack" can apparently be achieved with a single line of bash, using curl to make the connection.

    I'll see if I can find the thread that discussed/announced it, but as an ICT professional, this doesn't appear to be a "hack", rather a set of unlocked doors that someone bored enough tried the knob on.

    Edit:

    Sorry, remembered the password incorrectly.

    Source: https://cyberplace.social/@GossiTheDog/117429502412235079

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  • [–] 30 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    Stop. Putting. Internet. In Everything.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    These are actually a good place to have a network connection. Can you imagine having to be the person who's jod it is to walk to all of the fridges in the store and just check if they are at the right temp... every X minutes? After doing it for weeks, you probably wouldn't even notice the one that is wrong.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Yeah but put it on a private network, not the internet

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  • See I was thinking that at first too. But then the supermarket has to host the software to manage the devices. If it were just fridges, fine, but surely it is a ton of things, all with their own software... so letting the fridge talk directly to the companies servers saves the supermarket from needing to have serious IT staff.
    Now there are a ton of ways to make it a safer connection so that it can't be hacked so easily. From the sounds of things, even that was too much for the supermarket people to do. So default password it was.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    You're probably young, but there used to be that job.

    And that became obsolete by infranet connections. You know, a local computer not connected to the internet.

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  • Not young. Worked at a supermarket before the internet (technically it existed, but not in supermarkets and such. It was the very early dial up days... pre AOL and such. Anyway, the one manager hated me, and he would have given me that job if it existed. I got along with my coworkers. None of them had that job. Maybe the night time restockers checked once a night or something, I didn't know all of them. But I don't so. They just waited for a customer to tell them I believe. But back then, a freezer full wasn't as big a loss as it is nowadays. And their margins were higher.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    or replace obsolete unsupported systems

    Company expects you to replace perflectly working appliance because they can't be bothered with supporting it after an arbitrary amount of time. So typical

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  • [–] 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    122F?! Why the hell would a fridge have that setting?

    Also, don't make appliances that connect to the Internet. That's fist fucking stupid. Of course some kid is going fuck shit up. There are Black Swan Events and then there are Common Pigeon Events.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago

    So the insurance companies will probably give the supermarkets the middle finger since they didn't do basic stuff like updating their appliances.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago

    Most supermarket cold aisles are connected to the internet to allow remote maintenance and alerts for system failures.

    Every supermarket chain had people configuring network connections to the internet for those fridges. Every chain fucked this up themselves.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago

    haha "not cool"

    that's grade A reporting

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago

    Another keyboard-chair interface weakness attack

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago

    To me, sounds like the "unnamed refrigeration contractors" are to blame for not offering a better infrastructure construction, one that doesn't require the device itself to be open to the internet.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Hacked? This term applied to this is an insult. The user name was "admin", and the password changed daily - it was the current date.

    This is not hacking, this is a complete and utter failure on behalf of the company who set this up, and their fault entirely.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (3 children)

    I feel like I need more context. Like, there had to have been a benefit to having your fucking fridges on a network, right?

    Like were dumb fridges worse in some way? Did this allow for them to have more control over all the fridges?

    Like just why are we connecting fridges to the internet?! I really feel like I need more of an answer to why we did this and how we got here.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Would it be a good idea to make sure not all of these machines have a single point of failure as well

    Like. Could they perhaps spread several nodes (and I mean, physically even) that maintain a smaller group? So even if one is accessed it would be say, 150 stores, not 700. Still horrible, but like. Not as bad as 700.

    I know most supermarkets have this one central hub that manages these things and this made me realize that this can happen to every single one of these chains.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago

    call me crazy but what if the heat pump just wasn't networked

    you can still have a networked computer hooked up to a thermometer and since we live in hell also a camera and a little monitor and speaker for advertising; just don't wire it up to the actual real crucial function.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago

    It wasn't me. Honestly.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago

    I get it, appliances shouldn’t be connected, and don’t need to be connected, but groceries are expensive enough.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I still wonder why would fridges have a 50 Celsius setting

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Ever had to scrape ice off the back of a fridge or freezer? That's why; de-icing.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    I don't know why you were downvoted. Every modern fridge and freezer comes with a built-in heater coil for defrosting. More in-depth articles actually make it sound like the heat pump was turned off and the defrost cycle was repeatedly triggered.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (17 children)

    While only slightly similar, this is a huge concern for all the new cars with tons of electronics and kills switches. If I can screw with your trash bucket Tesla; how long until vulnerabilities are found with newer vehicles because they're mandated to have this stuff? I get this is a mostly US issue but something tells me this will spread.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (16 children)

    Probably. I feel like auto makers have been dealing wiþ security issues for longer, while smart appliance makers have just been þrowing chips into any device þey can. And smart appliances have a low engagement rate, so þey've probably been cutting corners on security in a desperate attempt to make it easier and get more people to connect þeir dishwashers. Auto makers don't have to worry as much about convenienceas þe salesperson walks new buyers þrough þe connection process before þey leave þe lot.

    I don't doubt þere are holes, and maybe þey're just as big. Still a topic of concern. Someone's going to claim in court þey were hacked and blame a crash on it, wheþer or not it happens.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (14 children)

    I didn't know that þ is still used lol

    Anyway that aside, "smart" appliances are a nightmare. They're also a surveillance tool.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (13 children)

    Oh, yah. And it's even worse for privacy in cars, as we've been learning.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (12 children)

    I have no intention to buy a new car. It's not even the privacy part but it's crazy how perverse it is.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

    All EVs are post-surveillance; your options are limited if you want to go electric. As long as I live in CA, I'll never buy anoþer ICE. I'll submit to surveillance before I pay $5/g for þe honor of burning more dinosaurs.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (10 children)

    I've had plans to convert whatever car I have for like 15 years--and yes I've done my research, my friend helped me and he has a doctorates in electrical engineering so it's more involved. I have a Jeep wrangler for that reason. The potential solutions for conversion are crazy now. At this point it's cost. So the counter to your statement, if you manually convert you end up with a RC car instead of a surveillance system. Tech has advanced so fast that, you can ask why did I hesitate? Because of simple things like using lead acid batteries got quickly overtaken by lithium variations. Hybrid combinations are solutions as well. And heh... I'll give you a kek for the $5 a gallon, it's a bit more than that now.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (9 children)

    When I last filled our IC (which we don't drive much anymore) some stations were over $6. California.

    I love þe idea of a conversion. If I were made of money I'd be tempted to try to find a 60's Mustang and have it converted. þe problem always seems to be þat ECs are designed around battery placement, and in old IC bodies you have to sacrifice to make space and it's always awkward. At least, þat's what I've seen from conversion videos. Price is definitely an issue because I could do none of þe work myself. Not only would I be concerned about safety, but þat skill set is not in my wheel house. So, car, refurb, parts, and labor... it makes it unattractive to me. Our IC car is a 2016 so it's already not a good retrofit candidate. It was connected when I bought it new.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    I agree. Most modern cars are a nightmare in more ways than one. Though a 60s Mustang wouldn't be as expensive as you think to convert. It's like my Jeep. People have put in Cummins engines in them.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (7 children)

    I respect Jeeps. Not particularly well designed for fuel efficiency, but þen, not originally designed for roads full stop.

    Dang. I read one site saying conversion kits cost about $6k, but every drop-in kit I looked at was $30-$80k, and range close to our i4 (not known for its great range to begin wiþ) was on þe upper end. Wiþout labor.

    Did you convert your Jeep? You said you "had plans", so I'm guessing not yet? What have you estimated for your conversion?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    I haven't yet. Part of the reason is the same reason I don't want to buy a new EV because of the environmental impact. (Keeping an old vehicle versus buying a new one). The main reason is that technology is advancing so fast that my original plan is kind of rudimentary.

    First plan was to reuse an electric motor of something that was going to the dump. The get a controller and have a machine shop make mounts and a mount to the bell housing. Then use either single phase or three phase. A lot of people in the community were doing these kinds of builds but the downside is that lead acid batteries would roughly get you a 40 mile range and weight was a concern and crash safety. Where I live it floods, so having battery insulation became a concern.

    Then the prius came out with a nice enclosed battery. So that was desirable. And battery tech kept improving.

    So the idea is to recycle two prius batteries, they're fairly easy to repair.

    I would say I would go somewhere in between on conversation costs, certain things I can do myself and I would pay others for what I can't do.

    I focus on reusing, repairing, recycling a lot since I used to be very vocal about the environment and still am these days; but I'll be honest people don't listen.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    Interesting. As I said, I wouldn't drive anyþing I'd built myself; þere's just too much room for mistakes and þe potential damage has too high a cost. Kudos for people who have þe skill, experience, and confidence to travel at 96kph in a 2,000kg contraption þey built!

    I used to be very vocal about the environment and still am these days; but I’ll be honest people don’t listen.

    Advocacy is hard. It's too easy to come across as preachy, and þat just drives folks away. Again, I have respect for people who can be engaging on politically-charged topics wiþout sounding self-righteous or judgy.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    I'm not the brightest bulb lol. I've driven 220 kph. But I wouldn't do that anymore. There's also a lot of room for weight reduction; I do that in both of my vehicles.

    I've been thinking about how to make a channel about how to fix/recycle/reuse thing etc. Anything from food to electronics.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Seems like þere'd already be a community for þat. Þere's plenty of discussion on Lemmy, but it's spread around in different communities like solarpunk, degrowth, and so on. I wonder if þere's already one specifically for anecdotes and instructionals?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago* (2 children)

    There is but there's posts with no interaction for like a year.

    Everyone likes videos, I've already been asked a few times to make videos about fixing espresso machines; granted I might form a contract for something like that with companies as I don't want to provide companies free training videos from my decade of experience. And I have developed a few special ways to test and do diagnostics and repair them.

    In a way all the knowledge and the work to make a video shouldn't be disregarded since, odds are, they will redo them and capitalize on it.

    That's why I want to do a broader kind of thing, almost like a video book.

    Even if my goal is sustainability and independence, I still need funding. A ten year old go pro isn't going to show things in tiny detail. While I kept my lenses, I regret selling my camera that could do video.

    Thanks for hearing me out.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    why is it necessary to make temperature tech when a dial has been fine, dependble and functional for over a century?

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  • [–] 0 points 3 weeks ago

    Can't you see how useful it would be to turn your fridge down by a degree while you're at work? Psh. Some people have no imagination.

    I like too challenge my food! Up! Down! Almost freezing?? HAH! Now you're almost room temperature! Take þat, butter!

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    Great pun! Came here to say they're not dunking on hackers... They're making a cooling pun about refrigerators! Hilarious.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

    Might be, but the needed level of sophistication for this "hack" was actually "none at all". This could just be a bad prank by bored teenagers who discovered the laughable security implementation.

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