I don't think anyone should rule it out, I just don't think the death blow to the elites is going to come from partisan politics anyway. I think we're past the tipping point where the system as built can be salvaged.

This is the answer. If people want change, they need to get active and primary democrats with the candidates they want.

Wishcasting some kind of third party into existence is naive and the outcome is we get more Republicans in power and life gets remarkably shittier as a consequence.

If we somehow get ranked choice voting, it'd be different. But right now there is only 2 viable choices in the general. Do what you can for the primary and hopefully you feel better about voting in the general. Sitting out or voting third party is just helping conservatives and their agenda being waged on America.

I said start with, not end with.

Not the way you seem to want propaganda man

It's a Murc's Law paradise in some of these threads. It's beyond ridiculous.

If I wanted to get that kind of opinion, it's all over the place in every corner of the "liberal media" and the extremely right wing media.

Yeah. I’m seeing that. It’s like they aren’t clever enough to hide their bias though.

Anyone that doesn't actively advocate voting for the most progressive candidate in every primary and then preventing republicans from gaining power at any cost in the general is an accelerationist.

I think Schumer knows he's a dead man walking. He won't be reelected in '28, and he won't be Majority Leader if they take back the Senate. Jefferies (unfortunately) has a shot of hanging in; he's just as weak and feckless as Schumer, but he kept his caucus together on the shutdown, while Schumer caved. That's why even normie centrist Democrats want him out, and why he can't even be bothered to pretend he's a political leader anymore.

And this means that Zionists will treat ordinary Arabic people with respect, dignity and humanity - or are you still conflating the goddamn elites with ordinary Arabic people again?

Like seriously, Arabic people are second class citizens in Israel - and we're not even talking about the beta Israelites.

I'm sure the Epstein class Arabs are well taken care of when approached by Israeli elites, this has already been established by the previous commenter - but it's still not an argument against what I said.

Read what I actually said please.

All three have a lot to answer for over the years. I could do without any of them, but I think humans would find some other bullshit excuses and narratives around an invisible friend to justify subjugating other countries and subjugating others within their own country...

I wonder where that aspect of Zionism originated…

Mainly in the Austro-Hungarian empire, at a time when the government there was relaxing the long-standing policy of discrimination against Jews, enabling them to assimilate. The Zionist leaders were panicked by the possibility that assimilation might erase Jewish identity, and by the alternative possibility that a reactionary backlash against equal rights might lead to further persecution. The latter is what ended up happening.

The diagnosis of the risk was correct. The problem was with two linked features of the proposed cure: ethnonationalism and colonialism.

And yeah, for centuries, Islam treated its second-class citizens less badly than the Christians did. That didn't make Islam a human-rights paradise, but consistent discrimination was more bearable than the Christian kingdoms' pendulum swings between tolerance and pogroms.

They are all infested with a smug superiority and have proven willing and able to murder all who won't submit to their rule.

They are dissimilar in some ways, but the most important thing is that they are all murderous and all have scriptural support to be murderous.

But yes, one of the big three is not like the others. For example, there are no PRIDE parades in any Islamic state.