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A whole new world (lemmy.zip)
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[–] 150 points 3 weeks ago (21 children)

It's NOT funny! With all the AI shit, micro-managers trying to be clones of Hitler, and unemployment to make the line go up, it's something I'm seriously considering.

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  • [–] 82 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

    It used to be a meme, because every so often a dev left into that direction, even though most devs loved their job. A month ago, I was talking in the office with three other devs when this came up as a topic. It was not a meme anymore, every single one of us had seriously considered it.

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  • [–] 63 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    17 year IT veteran here. I work on a dairy farm now. It's a peaceful life.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    My buddy recently asked if I had any leads on stagehand work, because he spontaneously quit his IT job last month. He said that compared to the stress of modern IT work, he’d rather be a local roadcase pusher.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    even though most devs loved their job

    This is the crazy reality of tech workers. I work in security and I really enjoy my work, but I'm about two days from rage quitting and making furniture out of wood.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    See my comments for advice

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago*

    Most people are describing a vibe not an actual career aspiration.

    It makes perfect sense too. Most tech workers, I assume at least, enjoy building things, but these days the tech you build (or tangentially work on in my case mostly) is fluff. Even if the product isn't fluff, the tech world seems to try very hard to make sure you feel nothing towards it. You don't feel like you're a part of it and you don't see yourself in the work. The product isn't for you and it isn't even for the users, they, and you, are means to an end. The end is money for the people in charge of the company or investors. The natural feeling then is to be drawn to some sort of physical craft, something you make yourself and very tangibly exists. Something you can see yourself and the results of your labor in.

    I'm going to probably have to do something else, because I'm losing my mind, but I'm not good enough at making things out of wood and have a house to pay off. I relate to the feeling though and the concept of "I no longer work in software and instead make furniture out of wood". It's a metaphor

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  • [–] 29 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

    None of that shit except maybe the AI goes away in a woodshop. Hell, owners probably love AI because now they don't need to pay a designer and drawer.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    The AI reason is enough, but if someone has their own shop, then there aren't micromanagers either.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Oh you mean a one man shop. Unless you're already famous it's just going to be a hobby shop, the furniture market is completely fucked by overseas competition. We made furniture for David Iatesta, which I guess is some fancy ass design house. A ~40 4poster king size bedframe in red oak was our priciest standard option, we sold to them for ~$2.5k, they sanded a little more, and added ugly finishes and sold for $10k+

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Yes, that's what I was meaning. You're right, it would be tough to make enough money without already having something if a following doing furniture.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago

    Sorry to bag on the dream dude. I highly recommend getting yourself a lathe and a drill press at harbor freight and going town. Both are relatively safe tools (no loose hair/clothing) with no blades, easy to learn, and the range of stuff you can make with those two alone is large. It's a wonderful hobby, it's a pretty terrible job. I may still be recovering from the trauma a decade later because I have not built a personal piece since I was fired.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    The fat ass that hasn't physically produced a piece of furniture in 25 years, changes plans halfway through builds, checks scrap for "egregious waste", nickles and dimes overtime, always has out of scope tasks for anyone he takes a disliking to, I could go on... is absolutely a micromanager. The foreman was paid the most to be in charge on the shop floor, make decisions on the fly, handle vendors and materials purchases, but was frequently overridden by a voice yelling from a lofted office space. Just because they own the business doesn't mean they can't micromanage. Sounds like the stuff a micromanager owner would say

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago

    I'm thinking more a person that builds furniture, then sells the completed piece. There's definitely possibility of plan changes part way through when doing custom work, but a solo wood worker either doesn't have to do custom jobs or can take payment (or partial) up front and not deal with it. I also don't consider change requests as micromanagement as annoying as they can be.

    If you work for yourself, the only micromanager is you, and that's your own fault.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    well as someone who works in a woodshop and has received plans from a client designed by ai, i can saw without reservation that we definitely still need someone to design and draw plans.

    also im not sure how to spell draw-er, but a drawer is a little slidey bit in a cabinet that you can put stuff in and close.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago

    A drawer and a drawer are two different things, there's a word for words like that. You can say Technical Drawer to draw distinction I suppose, or maybe Drafter is more correct but that feels architectural to me. Funny enough Drawers have slides, and so do drawers. I need to take my meds

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    • [–] 58 points 3 weeks ago (14 children)

    Living the literal dream. Every software engineers fantasy is to be an artisan carpenter.

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  • [–] 47 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

    Not true, some of them want to raise goats.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Is this is reference to the Microsoft guy's LinkedIn meme? This one: https://programmerhumor.io/microsoft-memes/peak-programmer-career-trajectory-lntk

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago* (4 children)

    Personally, I want to make historical reproductions of early 1900s fountain pens but with modern materials. Moore's non-leakable in chased ultem, my white whale...

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Sign me up. I'll take one

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I've gotta get my lathe trued and my CNC... uh... assembled, but if in three years when I get around to doing that I remember this comment I'll send you one lol.

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    • [–] 51 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    I’m currently going down the software engineer to woodworker pipeline…

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    • [–] 40 points 3 weeks ago (28 children)

    I'm in biotech and my wife and I keep talking about quitting our jobs and opening a meadery.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (24 children)

    Intriguing!

    Probably more as a small scale personal project than a business venture (the bureaucracy around food-production would kill me) for me though.

    Do you make it already on your free time? Can it be made without honey?

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

    Wouldn't be mead without honey.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

    Mead-ish? Meadly?

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

    Ha! Only 2 questions in and you are already in "you won't believe it is butter" territory.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

    Haha unfortunately it comes with the territory when refusing animal products but still wanting to eat similar to everyone else - I CAN have my cake and eat it too, kinda (with soy cream).

    I'll slogan my homebrewed syrup-beer: "you won't believe it's mead! (it's not)".

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago* (8 children)

    Honestly, while I love eating butter, I'd rather not look for similar looking replacements.
    I can very well go with peanut/coconut oil (for cooking) and blended peanut for spreading, instead of using randomly processed industrial idk-what-oil based stuff that was originally developed with the intent to reduce costs to companies and then half-heartedly attempted to cater to those who care about nutrition, with a whole fake health campaign to make it work.

    Forget that, I'd rather just eat my bread with water.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    There are plenty of good substitution products available nowadays - even found one not-butter tasty enough to make my whole family switch to it, until it went out of production... probably as well for our arteries. But I've yet to find a good replacement cheese though, so I'd rather go without.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Out of curiosity, where do you live? I'm in Scotland with occasional visits to Hungary, and both have a bunch of kinds of vegan cheese now. In the UK it's more mainstream, but in Hungarian "organic shops" I found some interesting ones, like strawberry-flavoured cream cheese, that we don't have in Scotland.

    Back when I became vegan in 2012, the Scottish vegan cheese situation was dreary, but by the pandemic it got pretty good.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    My simple answer to substitution is to just eat something else and not look for a substitute.
    Most of these substitutes are just substrates made out of whatever can pass as similar and with "added vitamins" to check boxes, a lot of which don't even end up properly working like the vitamin in the form as it is in the original object. And this is on top of the manufacturing costs of the ultra-processed foods which seem low because of how normal food prices have been inflated.

    There is a huge variety of diets that has historically worked for people and any can be chosen or even mixed and matched to complete dietary requirements.
    For instance, you don't need dairy with your bread. Just make good quality pulses and beans with gravy (can be eaten with rice) and use some of the remaining gravy to make your bread tasty or just have bread with those pulses. Quite a few of the remaining nutrients can be obtained from accompanying salads and fruits. On top of that, fruits contain many more components (often lost when processed) whose effects have not yet been properly appreciated and quantified, making it hard to give them as supplements.

    For some remaining nutrients unavailable as components of vegetable food, historically, people used fasting. Although this depends upon the specific gut microbiome and whether fasting will cause the specific nutrients to be produced, so I guess this cannot be lightly recommended across geo-cultur-racial boundaries. (Now of course, if some rich people really wanted to help with this, someone could come up with some probiotic drink that permanently enabled people generate those nutrients on fasting)

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    That may be.

    But I want cake, so I'll eat cake (with the available substitutions) because I can.
    When I want beans, I eat beans because I can.
    When I want cheese, I suffer 'til it passes because I can't.
    Easy-peasy!

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

    Our area is filled with local breweries, so I think a meadery as a local business would work.

    We do! We've been doing ~1 gallon batches which gives us 5 or 6 bottles of finished product. We've been buying honey from the big box grocers but I want to switch to buying from a local beekeeper.

    I've never tried using not honey, do you mean like Agave nectar or similar?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Maybe even a beekeeper who also could retail your mead, if they already have store space and customers and an assortment of honey-related products..!

    Yeah, I don't eat honey so haven't even thought about mead in a decade, but the one time I had it, it was delicious! I suppose the market of buyers with allergies or dietary restrictions against honey is too small, but I wonder if it could be possible for home use (where no one cares that it's not "real mead").

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Depending on where you are, selling booze is a massive financial undertaking. In the US, you better have 6 figures hanging around to blow. And years to wait.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Where I live you can sell like small batches of self-produced stuff (like a bottle or two after a tour or tasting), so it's not very expensive to get such a permit, but too much paper work for my taste.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    The little bit of looking into it that we've done, we know anything sold must be produced in a commercial kitchen, and that would be a big expense because real estate around here is ridiculous. It's really a pipe dream at this point but gives some hope to hang onto that there is something else out there for us.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    If any of the small time beekeepers I've met are anything to go by, they'll be happy to make a deal where you take some of their honey to make mead with, a portion of which they'd sell.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    The beekeeper I dealt with was a moron. He texts me and says he's got a bucket of honey that he thinks started to ferment with wild yeast. So I offered a reasonable price for the bucket and he counters with full price, like I'm just gonna take a full risk on his fuck up. I finished up what dealings I had with him and haven't talked to to him since. They're just people, in other words.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    If you make alcohol out of agave, you're just making tequila at that point

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I spent a few years bouncing between the ideas of opening a coffee shop, and ice cream shop, or a fruit stand.

    the most important bit is we have a small stage for live music and open mic nights.

    and of course i ended up making custom musical instruments for a living instead of any of that.

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    • [–] 36 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    i once took over a consultancy gig at a high-tech optical lab. when me and the guy i was replacing were leaving on the last day of the handover i asked just conversationally where he was going next, and he told me he was going back to school to be a painter. guy was in his mid-50s.

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    • [–] 32 points 3 weeks ago (13 children)

    My senior always jokes about opening a food truck. One day they're gonna push us hard enough that we'll do it, too.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago* (12 children)

    The difference between IT and important jobs, is that I get to drink on the clock in IT. In fact it's mandated.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

    At my old job, the IT department had a kombucha tap right at the end of their counter. I always wondered if they considered swapping the kombucha keg out for something stronger.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    My first tech job had a beer fridge and a guy who filled it that we all called the Beer Captain.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    I swear I must be the only sucker that hasn't encountered one of these freely drinking tech companies.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    It's not just tech companies lol. It's funny, the place we would have meetings--when it was a lot of people--was 50% off for the company. It was a nice cantina. Let's just say my beer mug was a jug and I didn't have to pay for it lol. >_> one time I was the designated driver sigh. Good thing it was a minute drive and then we would all drink more at the bosses house. Even when I worked in education, no one gave me shit coming in smelling of booze; one day I had to call off after reading my students file. No one blamed me for getting shitfaced after reading that.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    You're not the only one, I've been with quite a few startups and before that I worked with VC's to help get new portfolio companies rolling with IT. Never have a seen it, I've only heard of it.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    Did you ever try it? Or is kombutcha just what they wrote on the label?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    I did try it. If it was beer, it was the weakest, fruitiest beer I've ever tried.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago* (3 children)

    Was that some sort of kombucha-flavoured soft drink? Actual kombucha drink tastes only like vinegar. (I drank it for maybe a year in a health-crazed period ~20 years ago xD)

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    There's some kombucha that tastes quite fruity and sweet. Actually in that city there was a kombucha company that made a really delicious grape kombucha.

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    • [–] 32 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I was a programmer for 25-some years but I haven't written a line of code since 2019. I now get my engineering jollies from the used school bus I converted to a motorhome and from the house I bought three years ago and am finishing up renovating. For money I drive a school bus, which pays about 1/6 of what I used to make but is infinitely more satisfying. As far as retirement goes, I'm hoping to die a painless death before AI replaces all the CDL jobs in the country. I think AI will work fine for school buses, mainly because kids are easier to replace the younger they are.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Ok, I had to reply because this runs parallel to my own retirement plans. What's the easiest path to a CDL? What's the cost and length of time instruction to actual licensure? Any caveats or roadblocks (pun not intended, but I'm not editing it out).

    I know I can look this up on different school websites, but I wanted to get a first hand accounting of the process. My currently ill-defined goal is to be a bus driver for the local transit company (rural). Some F550 with a bus body, and some actual buses.

    Do you have a Class B or C? Passenger endorsement, I'm guessing, too. Would it be wise to get a class B just in case I needed to pivot to driving something else, like a commercial dump truck for construction?

    Sorry, lots of questions, I know.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago

    Some school districts will train you for the CDL, and some even pay you while you're training (mine didn't at the time). My training didn't take very long because I already owned a used school bus and knew how to drive it, at least. You have to take four standardized tests (general CDL, airbrakes, passenger endorsement and school bus endorsement), have a driving exam, and take a 14-hour special school bus class (this is all in PA, at least). The standardized tests aren't super-difficult, but you do have to actually know the shit, you can't guess your way through it and hope to get a passing grade. I just crammed the free online tests over and over until I was getting 100% on them. I think it was maybe a month and a half between when I started my training and my first day on the job, but that was with not doing a whole lot each day. My district was (and still is) a weird combination of desperate need for drivers with a frustratingly slow pace of actually training people.

    I have a class C. I wouldn't bother with a class B unless I actually needed it.

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