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[–] 51 points 1 month ago (6 children)

This is not new. When I was teaching elementary about 20 years ago I was told the same thing. I’ve had to change grades because someone never helped their child but had a big enough mouth to change the principal’s mind about the kid’s grades. After 25 years I burned out badly. I loved the job but hated the useless nonsense that stopped me from actually doing my job.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 month ago

    This has been the end goal of the GOP for at least 40 years now. Defund public schools, send as much money to voucher programs so the "right" kids get proper Christian education on the taxpayer dime, and leave the general public too stupid and media illiterate to resist the propaganda channels that misinform and warp them until they fall right into Trump's lap.

    The rank and file Republican may be dumb, but never underestimate the party itself. There are patient and smart actors pulling the strings.

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  • [+] [S] -9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    You lasted 25 years. Today, they burn out in five. Also, did you read the post, or just the title I wrote?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Today they last two. Did you even read your post?

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Five is more typical of what I've read in /r/Teachers. Two is pretty short.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    I was intending to show that your snippiness was uncalled for, but given that context, it feels even more out of place.

    The other commenter was responding to your post with their own relevant experience- wouldn’t it have been a better interaction to tell them that this post is a little shorter than is standard based on r/teachers and ask them if, in their 25 years of teaching, they had noticed things getting worse or could point to a specific turning point? Failing that, you could have explained what your personal experience is, and then asked how they managed 25 years.

    Everyone gets overwhelmed and short sometimes and I’m not trying to be your grandma, but rudeness begets rudeness.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    (You should include the text for people with disabilities)

    I’m as apathetic as the students
    Teacher Support &/or Advice

    We‘re not allowed to fail them. The lowest they can get is a 53.

    I teach seniors. They need my class to pass. Admin has given thinly veiled threats about failing them. It looks bad for the school and affects funding and that’s all they care about.

    They pass even if they don’t show up. One girl came to school only 2 months out of the 10 and passed with a B last year as a junior. I have her now and it’s the same bullshit.

    “Rigor“ is a joke. They’re 3-4 grade levels behind and we often have to go over middle school level lessons, yet admin is down everyone‘s throat about rigor.

    Discipline is a joke. They don’t do detention anymore, so the kids know that they can misbehave. They’re only suspend for serious offenses like drug use or fighting.

    Parents are uninvolved and for some reason that’s the teacher’s fault. They never answer the phones for calls home about discipline, but come graduation time they’re yelling and screaming because their child has failed senior year(though not really, we just give them a packet of work at the end and then they pass 🙄)

    Were given limited supplies and often have to purchase our own. We got a grant last year from the district and I purchased 3 toners since I want them to do handwritten work as often as possible because they use AI too much on their Chromebooks. All three were stolen by other staff members and no one is being held accountable.

    There was never any real support when I stared out 2 yeas ago and although I love my fellow veteran teachers they’re just as stressed and busy to ever properly mentor me.

    Everything is always broken and never gets fixed. Microwave, elevator(had to carry heavy supplies up three flights of stairs.), two windows broken in my classroom, three desk broken, etc. Since LAST year.

    Grades are almost always fluffed. Every F turns in a D. Too many D’s need to turn into C’s.

    There‘s a phone policy that’s hardly enforced. It up to teachers to deal with it.

    My mental health and anxiety has worsen since I started teaching 2 years ago. I’m leaving classroom teaching permanently after this year.

    I just needed to rant. Couldn’t even make it to the 5-year mark and became a statistic. Have a nice rest of your day!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Genuine question. I assumed you're talking about no child left behind. I know nothing about it. Can you summarize it?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I'm not an educator, but most of my family is and no child left behind is an interest of my sister who is a teacher, and it goes like this:

    School funding is heavily driven by tax revenue of the surrounding areas, so more affluent districts could afford higher pay, more expensive materials, etc than a less wealthy district. This meant the quality of education varied wildly across state to state, city to city, district to district. The subjects taught and the full scope of each subject being taught was different as well. So you'd end up with entire groups of children not having been taught things needed to be a productive member of society

    No Child Left Behind sought to correct this.

    The idea was to create a standardized set of knowledge expectations across the US and used additional funding as a corrective function to underperforming schools. If a school was doing well by their students they got more money, if a school was not providing as good of an education, they'd lose money. Doing "well" was primarily measured by checking the students' knowledge of the listed standard topics.

    In practice what happened was standardized test scores got mathematically tied school funding. Average grades, number of students graduated, a few other metrics also got tied mathematically to funding.

    School districts could try their best, provide the best quality education possible, and then hope and pray that the students performed well... Or they could cook the books and change internal standards to ensure that by all the measured metrics they got the most funding they could

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago*

    It also served to open up school districts to private interests for budget shortfalls.

    Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation for example gave huge sums of money to schools, but yhe money with stipulations and requirements from the schools. Worker training replaced the arts, etc.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    So winner takes all, essentially. So low testing schools, which are generally more poor fall even further behind. Wow.

    Also, this reminds me of Goodhart's law.

    Goodhart's law is an adage that has been stated as, "When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure".[1] It is named after British economist Charles Goodhart, who is credited with expressing the core idea of the adage in a 1975 article on monetary policy in the United Kingdom:[2]

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Exactly

    There were some strong criticisms of NCLB when it was first created that correctly predicted this would happen.

    Another unintended consequence was the death of elective classes in all but the most affluent schools. Schools strapped for cash needed the extra money offered by NCLB so they diverted what little resources they had into classes that were measured through standardized testing. Shop, agriculture, civics, home economics, classes that actually helped students live a good life were axed in favor of more math and science since students generally performed lower in those subjects and were dragging scores, thereby funding, down

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  • [–] 26 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I would’ve read this if it were text but I’m not going to keep zooming in and out to read some screenshot on mobile.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Pictures of text get more engagement, for whatever reason. Also, it's evidence that I didn't just write it myself, or edit it, not great evidence, but some evidence.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    ChatGPT doesn't need to be accurate if people are unable to think for themselves. This is all on track for the "intelligence as a utility" future the LLM wankers have in plan for us

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Altman has intelligence if you have coin

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    I worked in a place where you had to have parent permission to fail students.

    Also, “base-50” grading - all work, whether turned in or not, earns a 50.

    Online school is really a ticking time bomb though. Even before AI, it was basically kids spending an afternoon googling crap and getting credit for a full semester of high school.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago*

    Working as intended.

    The goal right now is not to produce future scientists, engineers, or the best and brightest.

    the goal right now is to produce barely functional simpletons that can only just barely manage to survive on their own. the kind of people that don't question, don't think, don't analyze, who don't do anything but believe what they're told by people they view as an authority figure.

    this is the end goal of decades of attacks on education.

    America spends more per student than most other countries yet churns out the worst possible results.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Reminds me of the novel 'Wilt'. He is a teacher at a vocational school, and he has to convey the joys of English Literature to classes called 'Meat 1' and 'Bricklayers 2'. Attendence is mandatory, but the course is not scored. And most students are bigger, stronger, and butcher (pun intended) than he.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    The whole idea of the American education system of teachers grading their own students and essentially being able to just arbitrarily decide passes or fails is completely wild.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Wait, who should be grading the students?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    This policy has been the same in France for the past 20 (maybe 30?) years. Little angels are not allowed to fail and I don't know why. The violent reaction from parents is identical and some teachers are scared.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    That's just not true. Elementary school students only repeat a year in exceptional cases, because it has been scientifically proven that repeating a grade actually worsens performance at that age. They move up to the next grade, but their poor results are not swept under the rug. In middle and high school, however, repeating a year is certainly possible; I repeated a year in high school myself, and that wasn't thirty years ago. In middle school, you can fail the brevet exam. In a general high school track, you can be rejected or redirected to a technological high school, while students in a technological track can be sent to a vocational high school.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    When I was in school, anything below 67% was failing, so that number on its own is a shocker. But, yeah, these young people are the future of their regions and countries and that seems like a very bad thing.

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