SALINE COUNTY, Kan. (KWCH/Gray News) — A Norwegian man attempting to rollerblade across the U.S. was killed in a hit-and-run in Kansas, officials said.

The Saline County Sheriff’s Office identified the man as 24-year-old Joachim Lanham.

Lanham was documenting his rollerblading journey across the U.S. on Instagram. According to a post from his family, he was hit by an SUV on day 22 of his journey from New York to Los Angeles

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[–] 329 points 1 month ago (49 children)

An 82-year-old female said she had been driving a 2013 Ford Edge SUV going west on Country Club Road. She stated that she thought she hit something, turned around to check the area, but didn’t see anything, so she continued her journey home.

For some reason its normal this lady can drive. Yep, sure thing, we'd help you open a door for worry of your frailty but you can totally chuck an 8 ton hunk of metal down the road.

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  • [–] 176 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    And if you suggest we should add public transit so that 82 year olds have a reasonable option other than driving, everyone acts like you’re ableist as if people whose disabilities make driving more dangerous don’t exist at all.

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  • [–] 117 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    The problem with public transportation in the US is that black people will use it. That means the old white lady is going to fight paying for it and then take her own car anyway.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago

    This is the answer.

    I live in a conservative area and I've literally gotten political fliers in the mail from two different republican local campaigns bickering over who's the most against public transportation.

    One of them said "So-and-so would fund a new bus station that would allow those people from the city to come to our town!"

    The other one's response was basically "Whats-his-face is a liar! So-and-so only suggested funding and renovation of an existing bus station which doesn't have a route to the city. It wouldn't bring those people from the city here at all!"

    To me, reading that just felt like the entire county's racism on full display...

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  • [+] -7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Um what??? What in the classist world did i read???

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  • [–] [M] 20 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    Describing other people's classism is not itself classist.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Also the statement was more about racism than class, anyway

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    There are those who would downplay the difference, but that's a discussion for a different community. (In general, at least. The effects of environmental racism on transportation/land use/urbanism specifically would be on-topic, however.)

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  • [–] [S] 81 points 1 month ago (14 children)

    Yup, and in many states it's legal for blind people to own guns.

    When I hear of people like this driver, it reminds me of the quote from Coming to America: "Imagine a country so free one can throw glass in its streets." It's meant as a joke in the movie, but for me, it's actually a really great way to describe our concept of freedom.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Why shouldn't blind people be allowed to own guns. Transferable machine guns have been a way better investment than bonds for essentially their entire legal existence. There are plenty of legitimate reasons blind people should be allowed to own guns.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Guns shouldn't be investments either

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Ironically, the guns the other commenter is talking about became investments because the ban on them restricted the supply.

    But that's getting off-topic, so if anybody reading this wishes to discuss guns further please start a thread in a different community.

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  • [+] -34 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Are you implying we need to be more ableist against the visually impaired?

    Blindness is a spectrum not just a binary can see and can’t see.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Woke 1 is dead, no I don't want blind people to own guns, Jesus christ.

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  • [+] -35 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    You should really educate yourself on what it means to be legally blind.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    If a legally blind Person is not allowed to own a driver's license why should they be able to own a gun?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Being allowed to own a thing is different from being allowed to use it in public. A blind person shouldn't be allowed to drive or carry a gun, but that doesn't necessarily mean they shouldn't be allowed to display them in their home as art or something like that.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    My own grandfather is a danger on the road. He's slowly losing his faculties, which is always tragic but doubly so because this was a deep intellectual. But trying to convince him that it's really time to stop driving has been... a challenge, shall we say. There's really only so much you can do in a legal sense.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    She reminds me of that one american politicians who murdered a person by driving her car into then in Europe, didnt notice it, and then left europe when charges were brought against her lol.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    In America, you get at least on free kill with your vehicle. Age is rather irrelevant except she waited longer than others to claim her's.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    You're supposed to be tested when you renew your license, but the renewal period is anywhere from four to twenty-five years, with some places even longer. If you are not renewing your license they neeed an incident to reevaluate your ability to drive.

    On the one hand it's good that they have less control over locing down the ability of people to move around, especially since we have almost no rail lines, horrible public transit, and roads that are dangerous to bike or walk on.

    On the other.... You have to hurt someone, or damage something, in order to be told "Okay, grandpa, time to hang up the keys."

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    one sad thing is that, as american vehicles go, a 2013 Edge is not very offensive. sure, it's not a Corolla, but it's not a full size

    it's a CUV with inoffensive tech. not too big, not too heavy, not too blinding or distracting. not that that saved the victim..

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Yeah, I was looking to see what type of street-legal APV allowed her to run over a full adult skater without noticing, but I guess this one was just decent suspension and zero awareness left in her bones.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    We allow it for the very fact that without a vehicle an 80 year old person is essentially being given a death sentence in most cities in our country.

    I am all for requirements of driver's license test be met past a certain age. But, we need to acknowledge that it's not just that. Seniors need alternative methods of transportation. They are driving because that's all they can do.

    Whether this is basic public transportation or major expansion of senior specific door to door transport systems. We can't just "ban them". Because then the problem will just be a bunch of seniors just driving without a license or dying alone in their home because they didn't get their medication that day.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    Even an 80 year old person who can't have food and drugs delivered still does not need to drive a 4000lbs SUV. There are much safer alternatives. We can quite reasonably just "ban them" from driving unnecessarily dangerous vehicles.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    In my opinion I already know there’s gonnabe some landmark study or studies thst comes out that proves thst people at or around the ages of 70-75+ should not be driving at all since people of this age tend to lack coordination , reaction time, and awareness of many of the driving related events happening around them.

    I wish I had compiled it but something Ive noticed is that in hit-and-run stories is thst you will find a disturbingly common trend of seeing that a very old senior ‘hit something or someone’ , ‘never noticed it was there before’, ‘and kept on going cause they thought it was nothing’ .

    There comes an age when you just have to accept thst youre just too old to do some things. Not a single paid athlete in basketball anywhere in the world has been able to stay io that profession past the age of 51… there is a reason for this…

    Never allow your ego to betray your understanding of humanity and your understanding of your biology.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Since several years ago, Japan requires people of a certain age (75 IIRC) to take special classes to continue driving. I think there may be some other tests, but less sure on that. In the deep countryside, there isn't always another option at any reasonable cost (especially to pensioners), which can create problems

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I dont know how car-centric Japanese infrastructure is so I dont know how easy or difficult it is for a Japanse senior to walk or bike to where they gotta go if they dont have a car or licensing to operate a car , since its expiered, in a urban or rural setting.

    I feel that had humanity completely banned car centric infrastructure in all parts of the planet that dont need them then a Japenese senior who had to bike, say, 5 or so KM just to get something they need would not worry about the journey at all. Heck the person in our story here ↑ would probably also still be alive since he didnt have to worry about how to conduct such a journey safely.

    Like are there bike only , pedestrian only , or even shared bike and pedestrian only cross-city paths in Japan? Also how good is the inter and intra city transportation in Japan? If there were , it would completely resolve the scenario you just talked about. ... It would resolve A LOT of the problems we have around land based transportation today too.

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  • [+] -15 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    First, that SUV is 2 ton. That's an easy search. You're approaching semi-truck territory here.

    Second, and I'm not siding with her as it could be false, what would you expect someone to do if they returned to a potential collision site and found nothing?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Semis, unloaded, are like five tons, minimum. I guess two tons is approaching, but then so is my sedan at like 3,400 pounds.

    And as fully loaded tractor trailer is like 30 or 40 tons.

    I believe cars are getting too big though.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    That hypothetical would be much more convincing if it had anything to do with the actual facts of the real event that took place.

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  • [+] -12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    Yes, hindsight is 20/20. Unfortunately, I can't see into the future and neither could she.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    There's no need to be sarcastic; I want you to be more persuasive because I completely agree with you that it is unreasonable to expect private citizens to be able to do things like: notice a full-grown man in rollerblades on the side of a highway, or notice you have collided with a rollerblader, or safely overtake a rollerblader, or notice that the rollerblader is no longer visible and is instead dying on the side of the road. People can't do this if they are 32 or 82 -- there is too much going on with their phones and their infotainment panels and the complex road conditions. You just gotta say it with your whole chest: no-one can reasonably be expected to safely operated a motor vehicle.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    which is why FuckCars

    If public transit were more common hit and runs like these would be far less common. Cause even if a 32 YO or oldrr person were operating such a vehicle public transport buses pick up on when youre moving too fast and they warn you, AND they probahly send a report bck to your boss, AND they have wider fields of vision cause of their bigger glass screeens so you can see more before you ever get to hit someone, AND because theyre bigger and girthier they tend to accelerate slower so pedestrians can see and interpret what dangerous moves these viehicles are about to make better.

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    I am too terrified to ride a bike 20km to the next town. I could probably do a quarter of it on paths. Perhaps a bit more bush bashing. But the highway sections seems like certain death. I envy places that are connected with paths. Huge respect for this guy.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Are you in australia?

    I've done a bit of long distance riding here.

    Bush tracks are ok, but be very, very mindful of snakes. Bush bashing is generally a bad idea. You'll pick up ticks from foliage, and snakes can't feel your vibrations and you can't see them soooo...

    Being on the road is generally ok, but a wing mirror is essential. You really need to be able to see traffic approaching behind you.

    Cars can move around you but for road trains I just get off the road and stop on the shoulder. They're too wide to leave any room for you, and the "bow wave" of air pushes you away, but then the void behind them pulls you on to be road, ready to be collected by the traffic following.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Actually funny thing I realized is that when I tried to go the next city over from the city I live in the safest paths were the forests and park paths . EVen unofficial paths were a better option, as in forests paths that shouldnt have a path but so many homeless people and drifters there go along thst path so often that the path has now been beaten into the ground and now its just there permanently.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Snakes are a real problem on narrow trails in Australia. On a bike they can't sense the vibrations from your footfalls so they can't get out of your way.

    Also mobile / cell coverage is patchy. If you get bit then walking / riding is the worst thing you can do, but if you don't have cell coverage then you're cooked.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (5 children)

    I guess we need municipal service for all towns, villages and cities that regularly keeps snakes, other venomous, and large carnivorous creatures off of these forest and unofficial paths.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I'm not sure how that could work.

    Just take appropriate precautions.

    You could just as easily fall and injure yourself and be in a similar situation.

    For snakes, you have to be aware that they're around, don't ride through grass or foliage where you couldn't see them, and if you do see one don't stop next to it. I have a pressure bandage kit, and I have a personal locator beacon in case there's no phone reception.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    I was thinking maybe we have like designated ' pedestrian highways' or 'cyclist highways'that connects each municipality to another.

    Roads that are often travelled by humans tend to be avoided by animals since animals have a fear of humans , rightfully so, and they typically do what it takes to avoid us. So all the people walking or biking down these roads will unconciously scare off most animals from them. I dont think there is currently a perfect solution for a problem like this but there has got to be a better way than whatever the heck we have now, right?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Honestly, I think the best solution for the time being is 2 part: for more people to ride bikes or be pedestrians, and a public awareness campaign to convince motorists that they need to be mindful of other types of road users.

    Tracks between municipalities do exist, but not everywhere, they're not used very much and often in disrepair.

    You're right that animals avoid well used tracks (in some cases) but where I live, the lack of people on bikes is the core problem.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    I am very sure that public awareness campaigns are nearly useless.

    People have been PSAing the americans and canadians on how self-destructively their car-centric infrastructures are for decades....and.... there has been no substantial actions substantiated to change this by either of these peoples ever lol

    People have been PSAing about the coming apocalyptic effects of climate change since the fucking 1950s bruh....and yet..... there has been no substantial actions substantiated by most humans to change this.

    People have been PSAing about the big 3 STDs for nearly a centurey....and yet.....rates of these STDs continue to rise or remain stagnant for all those years.

    Peoole have been issuing PSAs for this thing or that thing for decades and the success of these PSAs are questionably hit or miss. More miss than hit in my personal opinion.

    I actially think that the second part of the solution is acomplete revolution of societies everywhere, car-centric or not. as in complete destruction of the car-centric infrastructure in a careful and slow manner, so nobody gets harmed , and then we revolutionize how we create the infrastructure of all socieites. I think that we need WAAAAAY more public taxpyers and researcher input before we construct or even demolish ANYTHING and humans have to ensure that such input is normalized everywhere and always when projects are proposed. Its really hard to ignore the public, then construct a highway that will rip through a city or town when almost every adult in there is willing to pick up arms to prevent you from doing that....

    In my opinion even a million reforms and PSAs will never work when you want humans to make permanent, substantial change.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Not all PSAs are created equal I guess ?

    The Slip Slop Slap sun protection campaign from the 80s comes to mind. Smoking cessation is another.

    Trying to make people feel bad for driving cars isn't going to work, but just trying to humanise people on bikes can't hurt.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    No way in hell would I walk , bike (motor bike even) , scooter, any form of transportation other than in a tank a disrance of 20KM or over. Especially if Im going the next city over.

    The problem is two fold cause the drivers in north america are inherently bad and they think theyre better drivers than they are. BUT THEN ALSO the infrastucture in most of north america is car centric so when you go to a dangerous a crossing or a dangerous path ....that path was probably made for cars , large emergency vehicles, large constructiin vehicles or military vehicles.... that path was not made for cyclisrs or pedestrians. So youre rolling a loaded dice against your favour any time you go near paths like this without a tank of your own lol

    If I wanted to travel such distances? Unless there is a 'no car policy' there and its blocked off ffrom all sides by authorities or Im travelling via a city bus or a train? Im not going. Sorry.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    I cycled across Kansas when I was a teenager, in 1971 (yeah, I know, that was a long-ass time ago). I had no problem with cars or trucks. Some curious locals did ask me "why are you doing that?" and once I had to wait 20 minutes for a herd of cattle to cross the road. But that was a long time ago, when cycling was less popular, Kansas politics were pragmatic, the locals friendly, and road rage unheard of. Now, when I go there, people seem pissed off all the time and the state and local governments are malicious. Also, meth and rabid fundamentalism.

    One of the best things my parents ever did was leave that state.

    I did that ride during a family visit back, training for a ride from Los Angeles to Sonoma County that I ended up not doing. Instead, I got into cycling in the San Gabriels. Now, well past 60, I've started bike touring in Europe, where drivers are generally less inclined to kill you, though it does still happen. Also, there are car-free (with a few exceptions) cross-European cycle routes.

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  • [–] 84 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    “An 82-year-old female said she had been driving a 2013 Ford Edge SUV going west on Country Club Road. She stated that she thought she hit something, turned around to check the area, but didn’t see anything, so she continued her journey home.”

    Well at least she was nice and safe in her rolling fortress.

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  • [–] 46 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    And thank god we don't ever test people again after giving them access to killing machines

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    The thing about cars is that they are a lethal weapon INSIDE AND OUTSIDE. .

    So obviously outside you have this mostly iron thing that weighs over a tonne or more and it can easily reach speeds of over 250 km/hr if the deranged driver wants it to...

    But If someone alters their car so that you cant get outside once theyve locked you inside.... You better hope that theyve put you in the trunk cause thats the only place with the emergency opening. Also whst if theu alter the trunk to make it so that only they can open it?....

    Also I was reading this one comment from a police shooting a couple yesrs ago aand it changed how I see the lethality of cars from the inside. And it basically said: "The main perpetrator was shot and killed by police but a person who was kidnapped inside the car were ALSO shot and killed by those police officers. But something that the news story conveniently omits about the officers' response is that the car was travelling at insane speeds for most of the chase ...So how could the kidnapped people inside the car escape if they couldnt jump out? They didnt deserve to also be shot as they had no route out of the car."

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago*

    82-year-old

    FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

    I've read horror stories told by acquaintances from Japan about old people there driving and usually finding themselves crashing into things, crashing into cars, cyclists, pedestrians, or worse. There's been talk among Japanese about setting limits to drivers older than 60 or 70.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    82 YEAR OLD? I think my grandpa died at around that age, they're letting this person drive?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    It's Kansas. If she can't drive she literally cannot leave her home..

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    Tennessee city of 40k here. No taxi service for the last decade, and no uber drivers unless you get really lucky.

    There’s a city van that will take elderly people around town. It requires three business days notice, the pickup time is an hour window, shopping trips are limited to three bags, and it’s not free.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Calling a Ford Edge a "rolling fortress" is a bit of a stretch

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