Rachel Maddow warned viewers on Monday that President Donald Trump plans to interfere with midterm election results, following the Supreme Court’s recent 7-2 ruling against his executive order instructing the US Postal Service (USPS) to block states from distributing and collecting mail-in ballots.

Trump’s order, which he signed last March, would’ve directed the USPS to refuse to deliver mail-in ballots to anyone whose information hadn’t been properly submitted to a new state citizenship list maintained by the federal government.


"Trump is counting on confusion, uncertainty, and a lack of confidence in the mail-in voting system to suppress voter turnout," she said.

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[–] 82 points 1 month ago (40 children)

TAKE your ballots to a box. DO NOT MAIL if possible.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I mean, if you're in certain states, yeah. CA provides verification for mail in so the advice is more to do it early, get verification, and if you don't get it, follow up. You can still be very lazy in CA and your vote will be fine- just make sure you do vote.

    But swing states (which includes Texas this time around lol) and blue districts in red states should be extra careful. I'd still vote as early as possible, in person or by mail if confirmation exists, just in case interference happens on election day (e.g. ICE intimidation).

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I'm in CA. If you have the luxury, the polling districts local to me have ballot dropoff locations a couple weeks leading up to the election. My neighbor has been a poll worker since we moved here and she says it's fairly standard statewide. If I recall reading in prior elections, there should be one in your town/city hall. I'd rather deliver it myself than trust usps

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    I'm in CA and I agree it'll probably be fine, and I'd know because of the verification system. But the major pain in the ass that would be required to follow up if the USPS decides not to deliver my ballot vs. the probably unnecessary, but very easy, route of dropping it off at a collection center is no contest. I'll still wait for my mail ballot so I can fill it out at my leisure and take my time with all of the information about ballot propositions available to me, but I'll take it to a drop point after.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    I have a convenient box here in my office, will that do?

    (just being silly, but I agree. If you get a mail-in ballot, drop it in an official return box if you are absolutely able. That's my plan. And if your ballot never arrives, you should be able to go vote in person, probably signing something that says you are only voting in person)

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I'm not mailing shit in Oregon, I'm hand delivering to the county clerk.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago (28 children)

    That's just not how elections work bruh. Its litterally logistically impossible to do that in sooooooooo many areas.

    In Honolulu county, a county if a million people (practically) there are like _maybe_12 places to drop off your ballot. We do our election 💯 by mail and those drop off locations are just a back up. And it requires you sitting inkne for hours.

    If you want to vote in person. Puh. Bruddah. Only get two place where can. Kapolei Hale and Honolulu Hale. And you gonna be in line for hours.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (21 children)

    It is how it works. Take your mail-in ballot straight to your Election department. They will gladly accept it.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 month ago (20 children)

    There simply isn't the capacity. As a state we use mail in voting. States don't all vote in the same manner.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 month ago (17 children)

    For a period of ten (10) business days prior to and including each Election Day, voters may cast a ballot at a Voter Service Center. During this period, individuals not already registered to vote may register to vote and vote. In the City & County of Honolulu, Voter Service Centers are established at Honolulu Hale and Kapolei Hale. Traditional Election Day polling places will not be available.

    There is no line for all 10 days. The line happens on Election Day. Do yourself a favor and vote prior to Election Day.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 month ago (16 children)

    You're free to live in a world of hypotheticals purely of your own creation, but don't be surprised when reality comes to slap you I. The face because your so obscenely obnoxiously self obsessed in your considerations.

    In reality, real people, not hypothetical people, are not going to make a huge effort to vote if it's made to be too difficult. What actually happens is that even modest barriers being present, people just don't bother.

    Its quite hilarious how idiots take examples of what happens with real voters and real voter behavior, and then project it to mean being how the person individually behaves. Its a degree of stupidity you can only find on spaces like this.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago* (15 children)

    Bro thats straight from the Honalulu County elections website.

    Im very familiar with their process of accepting ballots. Your mail-in ballots should be received around Oct 16th. Fill it out and submit it to the Voter Service Centers or a Ballot Drop Box by Nov 3rd.

    In reality, people wait until Nov 3rd to vote, but they dont have to wait until the 3rd. Go vote on:

    • Oct 16 (Ballot Drop Box)
    • Oct 17 (Ballot Drop Box)
    • Oct 18 (Ballot Drop Box)
    • Oct 19 (Ballot Drop Box)
    • Oct 20 (Ballot Drop Box)
    • Oct 21 (Ballot Drop Box)
    • Oct 22 (Ballot Drop Box)
    • Oct 23 (Ballot Drop Box)
    • Oct 24 (Voter Service Center + Ballot Drop Box)
    • Oct 25 (Voter Service Center + Ballot Drop Box)
    • Oct 26 (Voter Service Center + Ballot Drop Box)
    • Oct 27 (Voter Service Center + Ballot Drop Box)
    • Oct 28 (Voter Service Center + Ballot Drop Box)
    • Oct 29 (Voter Service Center + Ballot Drop Box)
    • Oct 30 (Voter Service Center + Ballot Drop Box)
    • Oct 31 (Voter Service Center + Ballot Drop Box)
    • Nov 1 (Voter Service Center + Ballot Drop Box)
    • Nov 2 (Voter Service Center + Ballot Drop Box)
    • Nov 3 (lines begin here because people wait)

    Plenty of days to beat the rush.

    Just whatever you do, dont give it to USPS.

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  • [+] -12 points 1 month ago (14 children)

    You truly have not one fucking iota of a clue about what the fuck you are talking about.

    If people don't mail in their ballots here, they simply won't vote. We're not built to do in person voting or even significant ballot drop off. You truly need to stfu about shit you don't understand and stop spreading misinformation.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (13 children)

    Im literally involved with elections... like... professionally...

    I understand people dont want to drive to a ballot drop box or to a voting center. You can continue to vote by mail. That hasnt been taken away.

    If you dont receive your ballot by mail, you have to go ask the Recorder where your mail-in ballot is. If you do vote by mail, you should check to see if your ballot was accepted.

    What misinformation am I spreading? Quote it please.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    You aren't the only one who has worked elections and you truly do not know what the fuck you are talking about. You don't. You have that fucking haoli arrogance where you think you know shit about something you have no fuckiing experience with.

    We vote by mail in Hawaii. There are drop boxes as backups but they aren't the primary way people should be voting. They need to put their ballots in the mail. Its hard enough to get them to do that.

    Even even a somewhat significant fraction of people had to use the drop boxes, it would be a complete fucking disaster. We're not built for it, and unless you are in the county clerks office, shut the fuck up because you don't live here and you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    Im literally in the county clerks office... So...

    Which part is misinformation? Please quote it.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    And what fraction of this primaries results came in via drop box versus via mail in?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    No, answer my question. You wanna go around saying Im spreading misinfo, which part is the misinfo? Ill answer your question after you answer mine.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago* (8 children)

    In 2024 maybe 10,000 people voted in person at Honolulu Hale. People waited in line almost 3 hours to cast their votes. Only 10,000 votes out of 300k. And it was a headline making mess. We don't have the infrastructure for in person voting, because that's not how voting is set up to work here. Why are you lying to people about this?

    Its practically and physically impossible, and deeply irresponsible to tell people to not vote the way our election system is set up to work. We vote by mail in Honolulu. Use the system as intended. Put your ballot in the mail.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (6 children)

    Per your article:

    State Rep. Darius Kila, a Democrat who represents a district on Oahu’s Westside, said many of his constituents were unaware of the voting service centers that provided early voting.

    So like I said...

    GO.
    VOTE.
    EARLY.

    How is that misinformation?
    I never said dont go vote.
    There is no main way you HAVE to vote.
    You have options.
    Ive laid out the other avenues.

    BALLOT DROP BOXES.
    VOTER SERVICE CENTERS.
    USPS. (This is where Trump is trying to make sure your ballot doesnt count)

    If you dont utilize those options, and wait until the last day to vote, you have chosen to wait in line to vote. You are misinformed. You are hurting yourself and your community if you are the one causing lines to stay long and disencouraging others to vote because they dont want to wait in a line with you.

    Do your part. Vote early so you dont make the line longer on Election Day. Dont wait until Nov 3rd to cast your ballot.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    God you are fucking dense. This isn't about what one fucking voter does. Its about what voters do.

    Stop discouraging people from voting by mail in Hawaii, and if you actually knew what the fuck you were talking about, you would know the damage that you are doing. I don't fucking believe you in the fucking slightest on your claim you work for the fucking county.

    You need to shut the fuck up about shit you don't know about fucking haoli. You don't know fucking shit about how shit works here. You think bruddah in Makaha gonna go stand at Kapolei Hale three fucking hours to fucking vote? You telling westsider they get show up one kine in person, you telling westsider not vote.

    Stop fuckign spreading misinformation.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Lets make a bet. Go to Kapolei Hale on Oct 26- Oct 30 and cast your ballot. If there is a 3 hour line on any of those days, ill delete my account and stfu forever.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    No I'm gonna go on fucking election day, when normal fucking people actually do things because they're normal fucking people and see how fucking long the line is. If it's a 3 hour wait, then you fuckin delete your account.

    Its fucking irrelevant that people can vote earlier because they don't. They wait till the last minute and the system doesn't have capacity to handle in person voting.

    Actual people are imperfect. They don't plan ahead. They're busy. Reality is imthat they wait. And can you fucking blame them when your, allegedly, office pulls shit like they did with waters and ozawa in the fourth?

    I talked to easily 2000+ voters canvassing for this primary. It is hard enough to get them to fucking fill out the fucking ballot that got mailed to their house. Introduce even a bit of additional friction and voting participation plummets.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    Aloha, and thank you for sharing your perspective as someone who lives here in Honolulu County. I appreciate your concern about ensuring people can vote without barriers. Let me address your points directly and clarify how the voting system actually works here.

    Your Concerns

    You've raised valid points about Honolulu County's infrastructure and the fact that Hawaii uses mail-in voting. You're correct that:

    • Hawaii transitioned to vote-by-mail starting in 2019
    • Traditional Election Day polling places are no longer established
    • Mail-in voting is indeed the primary method here

    Clarifying the Actual Process

    However, I need to correct some misinformation that could actually suppress turnout:

    1. Voter Service Centers ARE Available Early Voter Service Centers are open for 10 business days prior to Election Day, giving voters plenty of time to cast ballots in person without the Election Day rush. The centers at Honolulu Hale and Kapolei Hale are staffed to handle these volumes.

    2. Drop Boxes Are Designed for High Volume Honolulu County has 16 ballot drop boxes strategically placed throughout the County. These are specifically designed to handle the volume of mail ballots efficiently. They're secure, monitored, and checked regularly.

    3. Mail Remains the Easiest Option You're absolutely right that mail-in voting is the easiest method. All active registered voters automatically receive a ballot by mail. Simply fill it out and return it. No stamp needed.

    The Bottom Line

    Your core concern that voters shouldn't face barriers to casting their ballot is absolutely valid and shared by the Elections Division. But the current system is designed to accommodate multiple voting methods precisely to prevent the infrastructure issues you're concerned about. The easiest way to vote remains: receive your mail ballot, fill it out, and return it via mail or drop box. The Voter Service Centers and drop boxes are backup options that exist to ensure no one is left behind. If you have specific concerns about drop box locations or voter service center hours, please call our Elections Division at (808) 768-3800 so we can address them directly.

    Mahalo for caring about voter participation.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    My state has no excuse mail ballots as well. And my city has a higher population than your entire state. And there is no line to drop off a ballot unless you happen to get there at the exact same time as other people. It takes 2 seconds to put your mail ballot in a secure drop box.

    Stop discouraging people from voting securely.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago*

    No one's discouraging any thing, and it's extraordinarily telling that you interpret someone's description of a lived reality in that manner. I'm describing the way things are, in the real world. Not a hypothetical but how it actually is.

    What a phenomenally stupid and blinded way to go through life.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I can't speak about Honolulu, because I've never lived there but in CA there are secure drop boxes conveniently placed all over and there is no line, you just walk or drive up and put it in. It literally takes 2 seconds, I don't see how it could be possible for a backup to occur. I had to do it once when I waited too long and I wanted to make sure I was counted on election day. At your drop boxes is there a person you have to interact with or something?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Honolulu county is only 600 sq-mi and has only 1 million people. San Antonio covers the same land area and has about 2.3M and it is no problem to do in person and drop off. So it’s not logistically impossible. Just do it if you want your vote to count.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago

    If any significant fraction if Honolulu county needs to manually drop their votes off in a ballot box, it would create a traffic jam so bad it would take days to resolve.

    Our infrastructure isn't built to handle a significant amount of in person voting or ballot drop off. We do mail in voting here.

    Also, it's not a matter of what one individual can do; it's about what voters, en masse, can do. Voters in masse simply can not pivot to in person ballot drop off here. If that is truly required, they simply won't vote.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    she literally warned of this attitude 👆

    u r playing into trumps hands

    because what will happen is that people systematically can't make it to the booth and then don't persue a mail ballot because of all the fear uncertainty and doubt

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    What's the plan to stop him?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Civil war should it come to it.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    That's not going to happen.

    What will happen, assuming he's successful, is the Democrats will quietly fall in line after a few weeks of posturing. There will be lawsuits, and the courts will ultimately decide in Trump's favor.

    Unrest comes when people have their way of life existentially threatened through hunger or homelessness. Or when their position within the caste is in question.

    Unrest will come from the Right if they lose. When the undecideds and liberals lose an election, they say "damn, better luck next time" and move on. They aren't willing to do anything that might jeopardize their comfortable way of life.

    The people pushed to the margins will be further castigated, and find themselves in an even more dangerous position.

    Unrest will come from the margins. People with nothing, and everything, to lose. The police will be granted further impunity to kill, and POC/LGBTQ+ will die. They'll protest, and they'll be killed by cops and right wing nutjobs alike. And no help will come. "Allies" will start to go quiet if the violence gets particularly bad and those communities will learn who their true friends are.

    Arm yourselves. Violence is coming regardless of who wins in November.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    I’ll be honest and say fantasies of a second civil war are trite. Right wingers will make one up about big government overreach (aka international capitalists removing the protectionist frameworks keeping crybabies like US ranchers and carmakers afloat) where the conclusion is getting back to what the founding fathers desired. Cosmopolitan types will make one about “””polarization””” and oh have you no decency??? where in the end everyone becomes a perfect, compliant neoliberal subject.

    Whatever the case, it’s pure american exceptionalist drivel. Both are adamantly for the document that says slaves are worth 3/5 of a person. There is no serious willingness or dare I say ability to contend with what actual war looks like. These fantasies always stand counterpoint to the reality where as it turns out we aren’t having a setpiece war. Ever. It’s all cultural animosity. Economically, in the real world, everything is in lockstep. So a film about a scary future we can look at then turn off, it reassures us of the greatness of the US, in weal or woe, a place outside of history, above history.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I'll be voting in person, as I always do.

    I urge everyone who possibly can to do the same. Yes, it's inconvenient, yes, there will be long lines. But, your employer must, by law give you time off to vote. Just stand in line and look at your phone, or even take a folding chair.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    What gave it away, the president's own words over and over about stealing it?

    Thanks Rachell, don't know what we would do without you.

    I seem to recall something with Israel that made me stop listening to you though.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The general public arent paying nearly as much attention, so yeah, literally as many voices as possible shouting the warning. Take a hike with the shitsnark.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    The general public arent paying nearly as much attention

    Trump said before he was elected in 2016 that if he didn't win re-election, he would challenge the results. Then he did exactly that. The dude has already openly committed a coup.

    At this point, if the public isn't paying attention, it's because the political system is clearly fully committed to letting Trump do whatever he wants.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Just because the Supreme Court ruled against the post office scheme doesn’t mean you should trust the post office.

    Do not trust the post office this cycle.

    If the admin tries to outright grab ballot boxes on the ground, resist, it’s illegal if they do.

    If the admin tries to claim the election was full of fraud just ignore them they are lying like they always do.

    The duly elected reps from each state will take command, the current admin can try to stop them but if the people don’t want it they can and should stand up, they should protest, and they should not go to work until they have a government that was certified by the states not the federal government.

    The constitution gives the states the right to pick the reps, the president can say whatever he wants but even if the states did have fraud it’s not up to him. Period.

    Obey state officials, resist the feds, this is our last shot to do things peacefully, let’s not fucking waste it!

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    If they refuse to seat elected reps, BURN SHIT DOWN. Preferably where the bastards responsible can see it. Or feel it.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    We don't need the warnings. Everyone assumes trump'll do something untoward. What we need is a plan of action. All neighbourhoods should designate a pocket telephone picture taker to record anything and everything to gather any evidence needed.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    "Lesbian political pundit Rachel Maddow"

    What does her sexual orientation have to do with her political point whatsoever? She's saying that as a journalist not as a lesbian, what the fuck.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    At first I agreed with you, then saw that the source is LGBTQ nation, so if she wasn't a lesbian, it possibly wouldn't be reported on by them. Her orientation is what ties this piece of news into the LGBTQ realm.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Damn I'm tired I read that as Ms Rachel at first and I was already a fan

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    Has anyone heard any information on the most reliable ways to vote? Any guidance at all from opposition other than to vote? If GOP is messing with the mechanisms of voting, shouldn't they be helping people learn which mechanisms are most reliable?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago*

    If GOP is messing with the mechanisms of voting, shouldn't they be helping people learn which mechanisms are most reliable?

    LOL yeah I mean they "should", but they also shouldn't be messing with the voting. They're doing it because they don't want you to vote. Because they know if you vote, they lose.

    The most reliable way to vote is always at the polls.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    The fascists want to suppress voter turnout, for one, just overall. For two, they want to suppress likely-Dem voters, hence the various attacks made on various things - but almost even more importantly, they want to destroy confidence in the voting system altogether.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    The GOP does, wtf are the Dems doing? If if nothing, who out there is and how can we build that community?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Honestly? I think there's a couple of facets to the answer:

    1. The bad news: The oligarchs have a stranglehold on politics. Not only are the Republicans a completely lost cause for democracy, establishment Democrats largely may care somewhat about human rights, but also are addicted to that oligarch money train. Which is where the "both sides" thing has a bit of merit. HOWEVER

    2. The better news: This is a good time to try and get involved. I think efforts in recent years have sort of been around a few individuals, but it seems like the DSA is emerging as a possible new powerhouse, and a place for progressives to gather around and use. One of the powers of Conservatives has been things like the Tea Party or MAGA. We need to rally around DSA and use it as sort of shorthand: If someone is associated with the DSA, then they are probably decently a progressive and hopefully we can support them.

    But building community is hard. That's the first thing the oligarchs attack to try and disrupt. And for some reason, it seems that while conservatives tend to band together, progressives tend to care about issues and when there's disagreement, can't figure out ways to work around that.

    So I guess the hard part is, for example, taking a VERY wedge issue: Israel and Palestine. While I personally have lost my respect for Israel (notably: completely different topic than the topic of Jews/antisemitism) and believe the reality is Palestine has been genocided by Israel, it would be foolish for me to see a candidate who hasn't come to that same conclusion but is otherwise progressive - and fail to vote for them or worse vote for the Republican candidate because of that one issue.

    The oligarchs use wedge issues to unify consevatives, and they use wedge issues to divide progressives.

    We have to realize that and overcome it to build community.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    DSA?

    You make some great points. I think with regard to leadership and support, we should become capable of breaking our support into issue specific support. Instead of supporting a person or not, be capable of supporting them on the issues we agree on, regardless of disagreements elsewhere. We don't have to support them on everything, but can build support issue by issue. In a way it's dismantling the hierarchy notion of leadership the DNC and GOP use and returning to dispersed democratic form. I don't know how that actually fits with the systems of democracy we have, as a representative democracy, but it might mean staying involved in the day to day of our representatives and of the systems that grant them their power.

    It also means choosing candidates to support this system, first and foremost. Our first agreement together is to vote for candidates who will champion only the issues we all agreed with them on, and won't vote their beliefs if there is not consensus from us. Even returning for town halls to ask for our guidance. They would function as the person who casts the votes in the system, not the person who decides which votes to cast. Less representative and more direct democracy. We need our hands to be more in the wheel than before, because we can't trust them.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    DSA?

    https://www.dsausa.org/ - not a political party, but seems like progressive Democrats are generally rallying around them, so it seems to be turning into a good org to rally around.

    On the rest: I think that's......... generally how it should work. The earlier in the process things are, the pickier you can be to find the person that shares as many beliefs as you have. As they win or lose support, when you get to the primary, you have to vote for the available options, so you pick the one that best represents you. And in the general, again, you have to pick the best possible candidate.

    That's the voting side.

    The other support comes before voting: When you find a good candidate, talk them up to your peers IRL or on social media / sites like Lemmy. Do what you can to get the people that represent you better at every stage of the process.

    What the fascists want is for us to say, "Oh, my person didn't make it to the next step, and this other person supports something I hate" and to bow out of the process, when the entire idea is to vote for the person that best represents you.

    That's how we get to "blue no matter who" in the general election because one assumes that the Democrat option is always going to be - at a minimum - less shitty than the Republican option. But people who push back on that..... do they not understand that fascists are worse? Or do they not understand that they should have been pushing for Their Preferred Candidate long before that point?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Its a bit different, we pick a candidate that has stuff we like and stuff we don't. I'm saying only field candidates that pursue things we can all agree on and doesn't make calls on the rest. They come to us with those calls and we have a conversation amongst ourselves. We tell them what to do, and they do that. We need change the relationship we have with reps and revoke some of their autonomy to make decisions. Less representative and more democracy may be the solution to inability to align.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Strategically, their best move would be to know how which voting methods are most skewed toward Dems and which toward Republicans, then eliminate/worsen the Dem ones while supporting/protecting the Republican ones. For maximum effect they also shouldn't actively encourage anyone to vote any particular way - let the targeted aspect of the first step do the work and trust the numbers.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    They are. How is that not obvious to you? That's why mailing in is being attacked and immigrants are being literally rounded up and what they want armed thugs at places to intimidate dem voters away. They're trying all of it and more.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    That doesn't seem to be counter to what I said. My point was that their strategy should be to, and seems to be, working to make the ways Republicans are more likely to vote safe; to make the ways Democrats are more likely to vote unsafe; and to not sit on Fox saying "the plan is that Republicans should vote on the last early voting day but not actual Election Day because the Feds are going to blast the polling locations on Nov 3" or the like.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    If only Americans were paying attention

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  • [–] 34 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    ...not making excuses, but if only americans weren't worried about becoming destitute by missing one, i repeat, one paycheck...not making excuses, but we have been so conditioned into a abusive relationship with our government...fuck...i just made myself very sad...

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

    It’s not entirely hopeless. It just requires millions upon millions of us to take unified action.

    We can refuse to comply with anything en masse. Refuse to work. Refuse to pay our bills and taxes. Refuse to engage. They can use their authority to harass a small portion of us, but there’s nothing they can do to intimidate millions of us.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I get the idea, but the only thing that most can really do is refuse to pay bills and engage. Then you get thrown into the machine within 2 months. And the bills you don't pay don't directly affect the government.

    IF one could refuse to pay taxes, that'd be something better. But, most have taxes automatically pulled from their pay before they even get it, and getting an employer to not pay that taxes on to the government is extremely difficult if not impossible in the system.

    The system is working as intended. And it sucks

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (2 children)

    Withholding paying for things and refusing to work could have an indirect effect. For one, it would foil the capital class who needs a constant stream of money, or else they would start pressuring the government to do something, out of fear of losing wealth and power.

    If a huge amount of people are refusing to pay their rent or mortgages, there’s no way they can evict that many people, and we can also claim squatters rights.

    If people completely boycotted all non-essential consumer goods, that would also be a kick in the nuts.

    It’s neat to think about how much we comply with all of this shit, because we’re programmed to fear the consequences. The illusion completely falls apart when people finally refuse to comply en masse. It’s all a paper tiger.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Agreed, to a point. If society could collectively decide to withhold rent for example.... That society likely wouldn't have high enough rents that withholding would matter.

    The system is how it is because of how humans are too. (Some worse than others) We can push against it, try and make things better. And sometimes in history we've succeeded. Other times the system just grinds on.

    We really need more community and collective action. But the digital age has (intended or not) made it possible for nearly everyone to be more isolated, and that reduces the immediate community and possibility of effective collective action.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago*

    Oh, the screens and social media algorithms that push ad traffic and addict us are totally by design. Social alienation, degradation of the human mental state and distraction to benefit tech billionaires are the features, not the side effects.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    That isn't his ultimate plan. He doesn't have an ultimate plan. He has an ultimate direction ,(whatever he wants at the moment) and zero empathy.

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