TAKE your ballots to a box. DO NOT MAIL if possible.
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"Cheat like hell'
- DJT
What's the plan to stop him?
Civil war should it come to it.
That's not going to happen.
What will happen, assuming he's successful, is the Democrats will quietly fall in line after a few weeks of posturing. There will be lawsuits, and the courts will ultimately decide in Trump's favor.
Unrest comes when people have their way of life existentially threatened through hunger or homelessness. Or when their position within the caste is in question.
Unrest will come from the Right if they lose. When the undecideds and liberals lose an election, they say "damn, better luck next time" and move on. They aren't willing to do anything that might jeopardize their comfortable way of life.
The people pushed to the margins will be further castigated, and find themselves in an even more dangerous position.
Unrest will come from the margins. People with nothing, and everything, to lose. The police will be granted further impunity to kill, and POC/LGBTQ+ will die. They'll protest, and they'll be killed by cops and right wing nutjobs alike. And no help will come. "Allies" will start to go quiet if the violence gets particularly bad and those communities will learn who their true friends are.
Arm yourselves. Violence is coming regardless of who wins in November.
I’ll be honest and say fantasies of a second civil war are trite. Right wingers will make one up about big government overreach (aka international capitalists removing the protectionist frameworks keeping crybabies like US ranchers and carmakers afloat) where the conclusion is getting back to what the founding fathers desired. Cosmopolitan types will make one about “””polarization””” and oh have you no decency??? where in the end everyone becomes a perfect, compliant neoliberal subject.
Whatever the case, it’s pure american exceptionalist drivel. Both are adamantly for the document that says slaves are worth 3/5 of a person. There is no serious willingness or dare I say ability to contend with what actual war looks like. These fantasies always stand counterpoint to the reality where as it turns out we aren’t having a setpiece war. Ever. It’s all cultural animosity. Economically, in the real world, everything is in lockstep. So a film about a scary future we can look at then turn off, it reassures us of the greatness of the US, in weal or woe, a place outside of history, above history.
A time machine. Otherwise we have lost, there’s no getting around it.
“It is possible to commit to every mistake and still lose.”
-Star Trek, or something.
I'll be voting in person, as I always do.
I urge everyone who possibly can to do the same. Yes, it's inconvenient, yes, there will be long lines. But, your employer must, by law give you time off to vote. Just stand in line and look at your phone, or even take a folding chair.
Vote in person early if it's an option. Our early in person voting starts today.
What gave it away, the president's own words over and over about stealing it?
Thanks Rachell, don't know what we would do without you.
I seem to recall something with Israel that made me stop listening to you though.
The general public arent paying nearly as much attention, so yeah, literally as many voices as possible shouting the warning. Take a hike with the shitsnark.
The general public arent paying nearly as much attention
Trump said before he was elected in 2016 that if he didn't win re-election, he would challenge the results. Then he did exactly that. The dude has already openly committed a coup.
At this point, if the public isn't paying attention, it's because the political system is clearly fully committed to letting Trump do whatever he wants.
Just because the Supreme Court ruled against the post office scheme doesn’t mean you should trust the post office.
Do not trust the post office this cycle.
If the admin tries to outright grab ballot boxes on the ground, resist, it’s illegal if they do.
If the admin tries to claim the election was full of fraud just ignore them they are lying like they always do.
The duly elected reps from each state will take command, the current admin can try to stop them but if the people don’t want it they can and should stand up, they should protest, and they should not go to work until they have a government that was certified by the states not the federal government.
The constitution gives the states the right to pick the reps, the president can say whatever he wants but even if the states did have fraud it’s not up to him. Period.
Obey state officials, resist the feds, this is our last shot to do things peacefully, let’s not fucking waste it!
If they refuse to seat elected reps, BURN SHIT DOWN. Preferably where the bastards responsible can see it. Or feel it.
We don't need the warnings. Everyone assumes trump'll do something untoward. What we need is a plan of action. All neighbourhoods should designate a pocket telephone picture taker to record anything and everything to gather any evidence needed.
"Lesbian political pundit Rachel Maddow"
What does her sexual orientation have to do with her political point whatsoever? She's saying that as a journalist not as a lesbian, what the fuck.
At first I agreed with you, then saw that the source is LGBTQ nation, so if she wasn't a lesbian, it possibly wouldn't be reported on by them. Her orientation is what ties this piece of news into the LGBTQ realm.
Damn I'm tired I read that as Ms Rachel at first and I was already a fan
Has anyone heard any information on the most reliable ways to vote? Any guidance at all from opposition other than to vote? If GOP is messing with the mechanisms of voting, shouldn't they be helping people learn which mechanisms are most reliable?
If GOP is messing with the mechanisms of voting, shouldn't they be helping people learn which mechanisms are most reliable?
LOL yeah I mean they "should", but they also shouldn't be messing with the voting. They're doing it because they don't want you to vote. Because they know if you vote, they lose.
The most reliable way to vote is always at the polls.
The fascists want to suppress voter turnout, for one, just overall. For two, they want to suppress likely-Dem voters, hence the various attacks made on various things - but almost even more importantly, they want to destroy confidence in the voting system altogether.
The GOP does, wtf are the Dems doing? If if nothing, who out there is and how can we build that community?
Honestly? I think there's a couple of facets to the answer:
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The bad news: The oligarchs have a stranglehold on politics. Not only are the Republicans a completely lost cause for democracy, establishment Democrats largely may care somewhat about human rights, but also are addicted to that oligarch money train. Which is where the "both sides" thing has a bit of merit. HOWEVER
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The better news: This is a good time to try and get involved. I think efforts in recent years have sort of been around a few individuals, but it seems like the DSA is emerging as a possible new powerhouse, and a place for progressives to gather around and use. One of the powers of Conservatives has been things like the Tea Party or MAGA. We need to rally around DSA and use it as sort of shorthand: If someone is associated with the DSA, then they are probably decently a progressive and hopefully we can support them.
But building community is hard. That's the first thing the oligarchs attack to try and disrupt. And for some reason, it seems that while conservatives tend to band together, progressives tend to care about issues and when there's disagreement, can't figure out ways to work around that.
So I guess the hard part is, for example, taking a VERY wedge issue: Israel and Palestine. While I personally have lost my respect for Israel (notably: completely different topic than the topic of Jews/antisemitism) and believe the reality is Palestine has been genocided by Israel, it would be foolish for me to see a candidate who hasn't come to that same conclusion but is otherwise progressive - and fail to vote for them or worse vote for the Republican candidate because of that one issue.
The oligarchs use wedge issues to unify consevatives, and they use wedge issues to divide progressives.
We have to realize that and overcome it to build community.
DSA?
You make some great points. I think with regard to leadership and support, we should become capable of breaking our support into issue specific support. Instead of supporting a person or not, be capable of supporting them on the issues we agree on, regardless of disagreements elsewhere. We don't have to support them on everything, but can build support issue by issue. In a way it's dismantling the hierarchy notion of leadership the DNC and GOP use and returning to dispersed democratic form. I don't know how that actually fits with the systems of democracy we have, as a representative democracy, but it might mean staying involved in the day to day of our representatives and of the systems that grant them their power.
It also means choosing candidates to support this system, first and foremost. Our first agreement together is to vote for candidates who will champion only the issues we all agreed with them on, and won't vote their beliefs if there is not consensus from us. Even returning for town halls to ask for our guidance. They would function as the person who casts the votes in the system, not the person who decides which votes to cast. Less representative and more direct democracy. We need our hands to be more in the wheel than before, because we can't trust them.
DSA?
https://www.dsausa.org/ - not a political party, but seems like progressive Democrats are generally rallying around them, so it seems to be turning into a good org to rally around.
On the rest: I think that's......... generally how it should work. The earlier in the process things are, the pickier you can be to find the person that shares as many beliefs as you have. As they win or lose support, when you get to the primary, you have to vote for the available options, so you pick the one that best represents you. And in the general, again, you have to pick the best possible candidate.
That's the voting side.
The other support comes before voting: When you find a good candidate, talk them up to your peers IRL or on social media / sites like Lemmy. Do what you can to get the people that represent you better at every stage of the process.
What the fascists want is for us to say, "Oh, my person didn't make it to the next step, and this other person supports something I hate" and to bow out of the process, when the entire idea is to vote for the person that best represents you.
That's how we get to "blue no matter who" in the general election because one assumes that the Democrat option is always going to be - at a minimum - less shitty than the Republican option. But people who push back on that..... do they not understand that fascists are worse? Or do they not understand that they should have been pushing for Their Preferred Candidate long before that point?
Its a bit different, we pick a candidate that has stuff we like and stuff we don't. I'm saying only field candidates that pursue things we can all agree on and doesn't make calls on the rest. They come to us with those calls and we have a conversation amongst ourselves. We tell them what to do, and they do that. We need change the relationship we have with reps and revoke some of their autonomy to make decisions. Less representative and more democracy may be the solution to inability to align.
Strategically, their best move would be to know how which voting methods are most skewed toward Dems and which toward Republicans, then eliminate/worsen the Dem ones while supporting/protecting the Republican ones. For maximum effect they also shouldn't actively encourage anyone to vote any particular way - let the targeted aspect of the first step do the work and trust the numbers.
They are. How is that not obvious to you? That's why mailing in is being attacked and immigrants are being literally rounded up and what they want armed thugs at places to intimidate dem voters away. They're trying all of it and more.
That doesn't seem to be counter to what I said. My point was that their strategy should be to, and seems to be, working to make the ways Republicans are more likely to vote safe; to make the ways Democrats are more likely to vote unsafe; and to not sit on Fox saying "the plan is that Republicans should vote on the last early voting day but not actual Election Day because the Feds are going to blast the polling locations on Nov 3" or the like.
If only Americans were paying attention
...not making excuses, but if only americans weren't worried about becoming destitute by missing one, i repeat, one paycheck...not making excuses, but we have been so conditioned into a abusive relationship with our government...fuck...i just made myself very sad...
It’s not entirely hopeless. It just requires millions upon millions of us to take unified action.
We can refuse to comply with anything en masse. Refuse to work. Refuse to pay our bills and taxes. Refuse to engage. They can use their authority to harass a small portion of us, but there’s nothing they can do to intimidate millions of us.
I think you accidentally just explained why it’s entirely hopeless.
I get the idea, but the only thing that most can really do is refuse to pay bills and engage. Then you get thrown into the machine within 2 months. And the bills you don't pay don't directly affect the government.
IF one could refuse to pay taxes, that'd be something better. But, most have taxes automatically pulled from their pay before they even get it, and getting an employer to not pay that taxes on to the government is extremely difficult if not impossible in the system.
The system is working as intended. And it sucks
Withholding paying for things and refusing to work could have an indirect effect. For one, it would foil the capital class who needs a constant stream of money, or else they would start pressuring the government to do something, out of fear of losing wealth and power.
If a huge amount of people are refusing to pay their rent or mortgages, there’s no way they can evict that many people, and we can also claim squatters rights.
If people completely boycotted all non-essential consumer goods, that would also be a kick in the nuts.
It’s neat to think about how much we comply with all of this shit, because we’re programmed to fear the consequences. The illusion completely falls apart when people finally refuse to comply en masse. It’s all a paper tiger.
Agreed, to a point. If society could collectively decide to withhold rent for example.... That society likely wouldn't have high enough rents that withholding would matter.
The system is how it is because of how humans are too. (Some worse than others) We can push against it, try and make things better. And sometimes in history we've succeeded. Other times the system just grinds on.
We really need more community and collective action. But the digital age has (intended or not) made it possible for nearly everyone to be more isolated, and that reduces the immediate community and possibility of effective collective action.
If only Americans did more than bitch about it on social media.
That isn't his ultimate plan. He doesn't have an ultimate plan. He has an ultimate direction ,(whatever he wants at the moment) and zero empathy.
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