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Part of a band teacher's job is maintaining the instruments. The band teacher deserves all the blame attributed to those bad pads.
Was looking for this response. A band director should have noticed that shit immediately.
All of the community's job is to fund the school district. There's not much a band teacher can do if there's no money for maintenance...and very often there isn't.
Not that I'm defending band teachers. Some are great. Some suck. Just like everyone else. But it's not like the pads grow on trees.
Or maybe they do. I don't know. I'm not a musician.
There's a big difference between "sorry, we can't afford pads" and "your fundamentals suck. Git gud, n00b." And that difference is a bad band teacher.
Also, the student or parents were willing to pay for private lessons. My private lessons all the way back in the 1900s cost 3-4x more than clarinet pads cost now. I'm sure they would have much rather covered the cost of new pads.
Finally, back when I ran technology for a middle school, I'd often help the band teachers repair and maintain instruments while chatting in my free time. If a band class/school district can't afford clarinet pads for years, then they are weeks away from every single instrument turning to dust in the hands of teenagers.
Which brings me back to my main point: if a school-owned clarinet has bad pads for years, then that band teacher ain't band teachering.
Yeah, like I said, I'm not defending any band teachers. However, my kids' elementary school band teacher was awesome, but the saxophone she loaned my son one summer was absolute shit. My daughter struggled with the drum kits in every grade because they were always falling apart. And our school district is considered one of the wealthier ones in the area.
I would bet that one clarinet's pads wasn't the only issue in the school district. It's more likely that the pads went unnoticed because there were so many other more significant problems that no one ever got around to dealing with the pads.
I'm not defending the band teacher. Just suggesting there might be a lot more to this.
That is very generous and understanding of you. But I'm sure if you casually mentioned to the band teacher that the saxophone was absolute shit, they'd probably agree with you.
What OOP is describing would be the equivalent of a language teacher telling you that your child is illiterate because their pencil broke while they were filling out a multiple choice sheet.
Hi. It me. The clarinet.
this happened to me.
i wasn't last chair, I was "always second" but I was stuck with a hand me down clarinet with shit pads.
my mom was too poor to even look into having it repadded for years.
i silenced the class and got moved to first chair after playing with proper pads.
it was frustrating and glorious. you're just not allowed to blame your instrument. but I think we can all agree.
fuck em.
Same here. We were poor and got finally saved for a brand new Vamdoren mouthpiece. First day at a football game some child ran into the bell of my clarinet and I chipped the mouthpiece on my tooth. I sounded airy ever since and couldnt get out of the low chairs.
Lesson here is that I should definitely buy the new set of golf clubs
And sometimes the clarinet is not broken and you have to give up things you love doing for things that you are simply capable of
I hate when people say "never give up".
It's okay to give up. Just give up for the right reasons for you. It's okay to give up because it's too time consuming, or it's too expensive, or it's not fun enough, or it's too fun.
It's your life and if you don't want to keep doing something, you don't have to.
Yeah, the species does better when people never give up because the species can afford to have many wasted lives in return for the advances that can come from the ones that don't fail. It's a little different for individuals, who, for all we know, have only the one life and maybe don't want to spend it trying to suck a bit less at guitar.
Though I would say to give things a fair chance because the first step of being great at something you love is almost always kinda sucking at something you aren't sure about. But I'm trying to find a healthy medium between making sure she tries things but isn't stuck doing them until she burns out with my daughter.
My sister was physically unable to breastfeed (it runs in the family) and a lot of people told her she wasn't trying hard enough. So they would have preferred her keep trying the physically impossible and letting the baby go hungry instead of just giving him formula?
I can be in board with this story until he moved from last to first overnight. While I realize thatβs exaggeration, at most Iβd believe he moved up a bit unless he also changed schools or the band teacher changed. That would require the band instructor to admit they were wrong in their judgement of the student, which almost never happens.
Sometimes your clarinet is just broken.
Happens more and more as you get older.
Systems theory in a nutshell. If we judge a fish for its inability to climb a tree it'll go through the rest of its life thinking it's dumb.
When learning to weld, it's recommended that you start with Stick welding if you want to be serious and learn all the types eventually. It's harder to start with, but forces you to learn better hand control. Stick welding isn't like a broken clarinet, but the story reminded me of that.
If I ever get to retire, I would love to repair instruments for public schools.
This story is a good analogy for when they try to force kids to learn by certain methods instead of accepting that another method might suit them better
Laughs in oboe If all the instruments need repair, everyone gets to suck at oboe
This must be why Harry Kim joined Starfleet.

Sports never have been and probably never will be my thing. I hated gym class because almost all the activity was just exhaustive. Just doing a thing to get tired for the sake of exercise.
And sports went the opposite direction, with a focus on winning and competition, on top of the exhaustion and typically overbearing coaches.
I started band in 5th grade and did it all the way through high school including marching band. And marching band is where it really started to click, having performative rather than exhaustive exercise.
Years later I discovered Muay Thai and that was surprisingly very similar in terms of a focus on form rather than speed or power. Really helped me dial in my physical awareness to the next level.
The point of my story is that even if you feel like youβll never be able to do or be a certain thing, you may find later on that itβs actually a great fit, even if it doesnβt make sense from the outside.
this might be the kick in the ass i need to repair my saxophone
Do it! Join a ska band!
I wish I had time for a ska band right now. I just joined a new band (first gig with them was last weekend and they did a hell of a lot better than I expected. I'm really proud of them) and have a few music related projects. My todo list has the following categories under music: transcription, arrangement, instrument design, technique instructions, band practice, and Navi.
I'm trying to limit myself right now and not join more bands than I have time to practice but you make a very good point.
Too bad for me I had my guitar serviced, figuring it would be better to spend a little doing that rather than spend way more on a new guitar when the problem might have been me the whole time.
The guy said my guitar was perfectly fine after replacing the strings :( Not that I play it often either way, or would start playing it often if I bought a new expensive one.
But on the flip side, it turns out it was the equipment for my return to guitar hero/rock band sucking more than I felt it should. Though these days, it seems like it's hard to find a decent guitar controller at all (the new one I bought had to be opened so I could shave the strummer down so it wouldn't stick when you strummed it, and I'm still not sure where the circuit is for the star power tilt because it was as bad as any other guitar got by day 1), but between that and cleaning out and re-pasting/padding my PS3, I'm no longer getting a series of notes I'm sure I hit all of but the game says I didn't hit any of.
I played clarinet in 5th grade and was last chair. I challenged the girl next to me a couple of times and won, but then she'd take it back the next week. In my case it was because I didn't practice and didn't want to play the clarinet, I wanted to play the sax, but we already had a clarinet, so that's what I got. I still have the clarinet, it's in my closet.
How do you get that far without knowing basic instrument maintenance?
rented instruments don't generally have a solid track record of basic any maintenance
Theyβre paying for a private instructorβ¦
And over the course of years� The same exact unit with the padded issue?
Even if itβs an issue, someone that far along would know thatβs the problem, the story doesnβt fit the details. Youβre taught to inspect your instrument before and after every play, lube this every week, yadda yadda. Thereβs no way someone that good misses this obvious issue and blame themselves.
Pretty sure instrument maintenance is part of grade school music even.
How did any music teacher not hear how out of tune the instrument was. That story just doesnβt make any sense if you actually stop and look at the details. Itβs made up bullshit.
Don't know about musical instruments, but with sports we were never told about proper maintenance. It should be a part, but I can see how it could be overlooked past the very basic maintenance
Or maybe - and just hear me out - itβs a shit school with a shit teacher.
The private instructor quickly found the problem, sounds like on day one in the story.
You're taught that if you have a teacher that teaches that. Based on how disposable so many things in this world have become, I don't think there's a strong self-maintenance and repair culture underlying everything. It seems to be more of a skill picked up or pushed by individuals who have learned how useful it is to know how to maintain and fix things. I played trombone, saxophone, and percussion through school and can't think of any maintenance related things that were taught to me beyond occasionally opening the spit valve to let some moisture out, that reeds needed occasional replacement, and to not damage them.
Class was mostly about just playing the music or music theory. Though in high school, I believe my music teacher would have been able to help with issues that were ultimately maintenance issues, but in grade school we didn't even have a dedicated music teacher, just one of the normal teachers had fingering charts for the instruments we had and some music we could play.
Everyone in my class was required to learn an instrument too. Maintaining, cleaning and checking whether everything works was literally one of the first things we were taught dude. No way that kid never properly disassembled their clarinet.
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I'm not sure if the right lessons are learned here.
Imagine that this person was handed a will maintained working instrument.
Then he would not have received all those specialized training and advanced techniques used to mask the clarinet's failing. Would be still have been as good years later?
I think its an analogy fam.
Some of us get handed broken clarinets in life and have to figure it out. In order to kinda fit in.
Some of us get regular clarinets that sound fine.
Surprisingly maybe to you, everybody assumes the person with the bad sounding clarinet is just bad at clarinet despite trying their best.
But when given the right tools, they're amazing.
Ugh this was so upsetting to read despite being validating.
If I were going to apply this as an analogy to my life it would be like some keys pads were fucked but not all of them. So, not being able to hit some notes was seen as a choice and personal failing. I would have been fine quitting band π
Eta: do people realize this is the the ADHD comm? I'm making an analogy, I don't give a fuck about the technical aspects?
it would be like some keys were fucked but not all of them.
Sounds more or less what the OP was describing
... because he could not make notes that required the registry key.
I meant pads.
Because the pads were fucked, using the register key amplified the issues.
I coach rock climbing, and this happens with shoes all the time. At a point your ability exceeds the equipment you currently have. Like no matter how much technique you develop, the junky climbing shoes might just slip on that hold. Itβs always fun to see a really strong climbing wear more advanced shoes for the first time and realize what theyβve been missing out on.
This is how I felt when I found out I had sleep apnea.
For as long as I can remember, I've been constantly tired, and unable to focus. Then I heard about the symptons, got diagnosed, got a sleep device, and suddenly I could stay awake, and focus. I'm sharper than I've ever been, and I have sooooooo much energy.
I often wonder how differently my life would have turned out if we had a society that, like, ya know, had sympathy for kids, and tried to understand where they were coming from instead of treating health issues like a moral failing.
What symptoms did you experience that made you figure out it was sleep apnea?
I always woke up really grumpy, and feeling unrested. I was tired throughout the day, even after 8+ hours of sleep. Getting really hot, and sweating all night. Being hungry all the time.
A lot of those have other causes, so it was a bit difficult to pin down. But I'm glad I did.
There's a second lesson here- if you teach people to their individual ability rather than to the average ability of a class or grade level, you get some amazing results.
Every other kid in the class was playing 'at grade level'. This kid wasn't so he got a lot of extra instruction.
But what if every other kid got the same level of extra instruction?
They didn't, because they performed at grade level and thus were determined to be satisfactory. But I argue that if you give every other kid in the class the same focus as OP's friend, you'd find a lot of people going much farther than they would otherwise.
This is one of the horrible things of our education system- kids aren't pushed to meet their potential, they're pushed to meet grade level.
I have a story that falls in the same pattern and involves the clarinet, but is basically the much kinder version. I was in band for years, playing brass, but opted to take a credit in the "beginner" band to try a wholly different instrument, and settled on clarinet because thats what they needed.
I had some real advantages over the beginners, being able to read music well and being used to playing in larger, more complex ensembles. When it came to actually playing though, I was terrible. I was always getting this warped, squeeling tone that was written off as using a wood reed vs a metal mouthpiece like I was used go.
Well, about a week in, the conductor stops and has me play a scale, which came out with a terrible warble. He stopped for a second, eyeballed me, and then had me swap to a number 2 reed instead of the normal 1. This is a thicker reed, a change you would expect beginners to move to after playing a woodwind for a few months.
Instantly, the sound firmed up correctly and I hit the exact tone. It was honestly astonishing. I had gone from a squeel to a pure tone immediately. My younger peers where shocked, having just thought I was somewhat shit at the instrument. Turns out the years of playing brass had given me a strong embouchure, or jaw muscle, so I was basically warping the beginner reed by just using it. I'd love to say I went on to first chair, but I had to drop the class due to conflict and that pretty much ended my time with the clarinet too.
Really interesting to have something like that happen, at least when the lead in is immediate support instead of years of beratement.
I had a similar problem when I was learning guitar. I had my grandma's old steel string guitar, and the action was so high (the strings so far away from the fretboard) that it took a lot of strength to press the strings down to the frets and it was difficult to get a note to play correctly. After a month or two my instructor had me try a different guitar, and like magic, I was able to play the song I was learning all the way through with no effort at all.
reminds me of the "bicycle in a car-centric city" analogy. Everyone is telling you take the main freeway and just "go faster" under the presumption that your driving a car without consideration that it takes more effort for you to even take freeway.
This is a beautiful story. Sometimes adversity makes some people better. Imagine how many people experience this and quit instead.



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