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[–] 129 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (40 children)

Two more for the pile

Edit: ironically, it seems my media literacy could be called into question here too based on the mismatch between the tone of OP meme and the tone of the responses I posted. Context for anybody missing it below.

The punisher is a revenge fantasy carried out on corrupt policemen. The message was basically acab before acab was a thing people said. Policemen, who tend to have IQ that matches their best mile time in minutes, love to plaster his logo all over everything they own.

The bottom photo is Tom Morello of Rage Against The Machine. Rather than summarize his story, I'll share his response when a prominent conservative politician tweeted about RatM being their favorite band. "I wonder what [Paul] Ryan's favorite Rage song is? Is it the one where we condemn the genocide of Native Americans? The one lambasting American imperialism? Our cover of "Fuck the Police"? Or is it the one where we call on the people to seize the means of production? So many excellent choices to jam out to at Young Republican meetings!"

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  • [–] 41 points 1 month ago

    I know the point of Tom Morello being included is because RATM is completely misunderstood by conservatives, but it makes me giggle because he did a song for Final Fantasy XIV because a friend he played D&D with also knew a guy involved and it just happened.

    But progressives can have hobbies. It's fine. Lol

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  • [–] 68 points 1 month ago (6 children)
  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Morello was in a Voyager episode?!?!? I don't even really like RATM, but holy fuckin BASED

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    ‘Good Shepherd’ S06E20, it’s just a cameo appearance though.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Good lookin out! Voyager is one of the few Trek shows I haven't seen every episode of, I mean I've seen most of Voyager, so I might've seen that one. It just makes sense, Starfleet is the embodiment of leftist socialist idealism, I do love it so

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    What are you on about? Starfleet is a (at least quasi)military organization with a obvious hierarchical order. The captain tells you to jump? You say how high. There's a lot of discussions, but in the end she/he decides the fate of all aboard.

    Now, I love old Trek (up until and including Voyager) - it has a lot of merits - but it's far from how I'd want society to be optimally.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Starfleet is a (at least quasi)military organization with a obvious hierarchical order.

    moth can't think of any examples of socialist nations with a rigid military hierarchy in the entire human history. no, none at all. can you?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    moth tries to troll. Or moth has very different understanding of "leftist socialist idealism". But what do I know, very little.

    RATM at least described themselves as anarchist/socialist if I remember correctly.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (27 children)

    Who's the dude in the bottom picture?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (25 children)

    What’s Tom doing in that list? From everything I’ve heard about him he seems like a great guy

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  • [–] 70 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    I wonder if the message is about Rage Against the Machine and how conservatives always misunderstand the lyrics because they have zero media literacy.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

    When did rage against the machine go woke?

    Edit: Damn. It's funny how much you all suck.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    Do you ever consider why being aware of and against horrible things happening to innocent people, aware of the people in charge scamming and laughing at you while you scrabble around in the dirt blaming other people being scammed just like you is considered an insult by your kind?

    Do you just enjoy the feeling of constantly being made a fool? Is that why you think 'woke' is such an insult? Some kind of weird kink about being robbed and abused?

    Well fuck me I fell for it. It's real hard to tell these days when someone's being facetious or not on the internet :(

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    It turns out Lemmy is full of humorless morons.

    Rage against the machine going woke is a very common joke on the internet. XD

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    People get used to assuming other people are dumber than them, especially online. So they see an obvious joke and instead if thinking "well obviously they didn't mean the thing they are pointing out, so they are pointing it out to mock that perspective", they just accept it face value, and then when called out on it go "poe's law" or argue that the fact that they didn't understand says a lot about society instead of doing any introspection.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    It's a "misunderstood the message" in the opposite direction. He wrote angry songs about how the establishment is evil, and pro-establishment people thought they were angry songs about how people trying to change the establishment were evil.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Given there lyrics that's less of a misunderstanding and more illiteracy. The lyrics themselves were pretty damn clear.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I remember a classmate of mine thought the "some of those who work forces are the same that burn crosses" lyric was saying "Satanists are infiltrating our pristine and flawless police force!" And of course there's the quintessential "Fuck you I won't do what you tell me!" that all republicans thought meant "Fuck you, I won't do the bare minimum to care about others!"

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Sure, but in the former case that takes some extreme cognitive dissonance. Rage wasn't ever really hiding things in their lyrics.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Oh, they were certainly enraged. Those damn satanists! But yeah, nobody I knew actually knew what the lyrics were - we all just mumbled along incoherently until we yelled out the few parts that everyone knew, so none of us were actually certain that the conservatives were totally misinterpreting what the song was saying.

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  • Oh, lol, I get it. I was the kid that read through the lyrics books while playing the albums. Hell, I did some English assignments in school disecting their lyrics. Every time my conclusion was the translation was fairly literal. XD

    I never lost points for that part though, because I think the teachers found the exercise to be creative enough and applied to something that I was interested in.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Right wingers are too dumb to have media literacy and tend to love RATM. I do agree just a photo of him was probably the most confusing way to convey that message though.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Damn, “Arm the homeless” is a hell of a take.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Yeah. The leftist in me thinks it goes kinda hard, but the volunteer social worker in me has spent a lot of time and effort making absolutely sure the homeless folk I've interacted with were not armed. I thought it said "arm the hopeless" when I found the picture

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Yeah, it hits hard when Lucy Paraons says it because she was widowed for her husband's opposition to the dictatorship of capital. When I was hungry and sleeping in my car I needed secure housing where I could do my homework and consistent access to food, not a gun. And plenty of homeless people would just hurt themselves or each other if armed.

    Let every dirty, lousy tramp arm himself with a revolver or a knife, and lay in wait on the steps of the palaces of the rich and stab or shoot the owners as they come out. Let us kill them without mercy, and let it be a war of extermination.

    • Lucy Parsons
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  • [–] 70 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Rorshach not being on there is disappointing.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I'm not locked in here with you! You're locked in here with me! Melts someone's face with fryer oil. Cringe line.....but kinda funny at the same time.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I mean, he pretty clearly set the record. That irrespective of his appearance, clothing, situation, or anything else, he is a severely homicidal lunatic. One of the more effective scenes. (I liked darth Vader's "nooooo" as well)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Rorschach is basically the Punisher - it's only luck that he likes to kill and torture "bad people", and he shows himself that he's pretty flexible on the definition of "bad".

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    As a non-Irish-catholic who was not alive in 1940s America, I honestly can't make heads or tails of how conventional or steadfast his morals are, for that crowd. It's a common mistake to reference modern or personally felt sentiments as objective, when they are not. They are exceedingly contemporaneous and location dependent.

    But he's a violent, insane, religious man in the 60s, so there's probably something off beyond turning the dial up to 1100

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  • [–] 52 points 1 month ago (20 children)
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    In a similar vein Walter from breaking bad, though that makes less sense. Tony soprano was at least a charismatic sociopath, Walt was just an asshole

    Also the classic nerd version, Rick from Rick and Morty. Bojack horseman too, which is extra funny because the show eventually called this out (in a way that almost certainly went over the head of some of the people who idealized him)

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  • [–] 33 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Bojack horseman too, which is extra funny because the show eventually called this out (in a way that almost certainly went over the head of some of the people who idealized him)

    The thing with Bojack that I think is really poignant, though, is that I think that the people who idolize him don't do so because they see in Bojack somebody they want to be, but because they see somebody they already are. Bojack is a canary in the coal mine to the depressive viewer. "If Bojack can pull through this, maybe I can, too."

    As a character, Bojack isn't a goal to achieve; he's a warning. If you treat everyone around you like shit, you're going to find yourself all alone in your darkest moments. Bojack serves as a reminder that sometimes personal redemption has an expiration date; the longer you wait to correct the wrongs of your past, the more Sarah Lynns will come and go through your life. Bojack shows the viewer that it's never too late to change, but that there are consequences to waiting; you can't wallow in pity and self-loathing forever, and you're not the only one who's affected by the way you treat yourself.

    I'm sure a lot of people don't make it through the show to really get all that, though. Which is a shame, because I think Bojack tells an incredibly beautiful story that gets missed by many.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago

    Bojack is a great show because it highlights so many forms of depression and destructive behavior. Everyone in that show has problems, even Mr Peanutbutter, who I think importantly shows you can be a flawed person while most people love you and you're usually happy.

    Seeing Bojack act out in so many destructive ways gave me an objective view of a lot of behaviors in myself and it led to me getting help for my major depression. I lead a very different life today thanks to the realistic depictions of broken characters in that show.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I think that people may admire/covet the super-power of doing what you want without caring about other people or being afraid of consequences.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Which is a huge shame, because doing what you want without much worry about consequences is actually super doable WHILE still caring about other people

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Not if you've been taught that everything is a zero-sum game, which apparently many people believe, especially in the States. If you believe that one person gaining something necessarily means that someone else loses something to an equal or greater degree, caring about other people inherently means having to compromise on your own happiness.

    Of course it becomes a lot easier if you believe that it's possible to win together and that giving a little can make a huge difference in someone's day.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Agree with your points but I will say that Tony’s charisma seems to wane by the end of the series. Seasons 1-3 Tony 100% charismatic sociopath.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Yeah true, and I think that makes him more authentic tbh. When I worked with domestic violence situations the perpetrators often hit the same vibe, super charismatic and many people around would second guess claims against them. but underneath they had serious anger issues that made them increasingly assholes and eventually straight up dangerous during periods of high stress. The charisma is a cloak that takes a lot of effort. That’s what people ignore with the character and irl too, they rationalize it away to try and make sense of caring about a person who is objectively shitty

    God I love the sopranos, I wish I had time to rewatch that glorified crew

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Maybe I'm media illiterate but when I watched BB I could not follow Walt at all. Like he did the thing, he got the money, then he's like more meth Jesse we need to cooooook out of nowhere. Were there hints that I just missed that he was going down that path? Because every time he tripled down it felt like it was out of nowhere.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    power corrupts. as he amasses more power in the criminal underworld he believes himself to be better than the people around him, that he can change the corrupt system from the inside. it's not until hank dies that he actually realises what he's been doing, but at that point it's already too late.

    ...and then the season 6 finale ruined the point.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Walt was on an ego trip the entire time - the money was an excuse but the feeling of being in power and in control was always the real reason for his actions. Remember that he torched some guy's car and turned down a generous job offer for personal, functionally petty reasons before he'd started cooking. You could argue that the offer was patronizing, but if his concern was really about taking care of his family instead of wanting to feel like he was the big guy in charge of things would he really have said no?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    Bojack is relatable. He's just super duper depressed.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Bojack isn't just depressed. He's almost certainly got CPTSD, possibly with a personality disorder (HPD feels right but I haven't watched since the finale was new). His life sucks because he keeps giving in to his worse instincts and desires.

    Hrs very relatable as someone who struggles with CPTSD, and had to learn how to do healthy and responsible things instead of just whatever my brain says.

    But fundamentally as a character he represents the failure state of managing trauma. He keeps trying and he keeps failing harder and harder, but never seeks the real help he needs or learns to have a setback without spiraling out of control and hurting someone else, usually pretty bad. Hell, he keeps thinking that dependants will make him better and then damages them because of course they won't.

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  • [–] 48 points 1 month ago (29 children)

    My exwife has a large slytherin tattoo. That house in pottery is just “the bad guys”. There’s not charecter arch or deeper meaning, no complexity in writing.

    They are just the bad guys, who are evil and mean. That’s it. She loves em.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    A lot of people have Empire tattoos, Decepticon tattoos, and so on. Fictional bad guys are just cool.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I love Zeon/Neo Zeon mobile suits. Don't agree with the views, but damn do they have some cool designs.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    They need to be more than bad guys. Darth Wader started as good guy, than became a bad guy, than redeemed himself. Nobody normal has a tattoo of nurse Ratchet.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Aside from the fact that the Empire did nothing wrong and brought peace to a galaxy living under the constant threat of the Jedi that casually kidnapped children to indoctrinate, not to mention tried to assassinate a democratically elected chancellor when things didn't go to their liking.

    I think this is the first time I've seen someone regularly write "than" when it's actually supposed to be "then". Normally it's always the other way around.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago* (10 children)

    Consider the alternatives:

    Suicidal, stupid, trouble causing and seeking, bullying "brave" Griffindors.

    Bookworm "smart", swot grinders Ravenclaws.

    Sly and cunning, "ambitious" Slytherins.

    Neither brave, smart or sly, menial workers Hufflepuffs.

    Idk about you, but out of those options to me speaks the most "neither", but if I have to sleep somewhere, I'd wear green.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    They weren’t particularly sly cunning or smart. Ambitious I’ll give you.

    The book sets it up like slytherin and gryfindor are basically the same except one is evil.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I am quoting the books with cunning and ambitious. It also mentions resourcefulness.

    It's just that the author is not that good with her craft and she made them Evil, shallow house in practice.

    Or maybe it's the other way, and she did that on purpose, so that the early children book has visible low stake antagonist Malfoy, who does not really matter compared to BBEG.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I understand what you mean. They are said to be those traits but that is absolutely not portrayed in the book.

    So if you’re reading the books or watching the movie and thinking “I relate to those guys” all there is to relate to is being “bad”

    They don’t have anything else going for them in the story.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Yeah the sorting hat sorta tells Harry slitherin folks are destined for big things (not necessarily good, but big) but then there's dumbfucks like crabbe and goyle in there who couldn't accomplish shit.

    Joanne Kowling Rowling didn't exactly stay consistent about things in those books.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Dude, Hufflepuffs got it right. "Nobody expects us to achieve anything, so they'll praise us if we just show up". That's a pro level life hack. They are the "take it easy" house. If The Dude was in Hogwarts, he'd be in Hufflepuff. If I was in Hogwarts I'd be in Hufflepuff.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    Dude, the Hufflepuffs' dorms are described as cozy and are located near the kitchen, that's objectivelly the best place to sleep in.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I thought about it. But low ceiling and the fact they are described as basically background noise made me uninterested ultimately. :-)

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  • The most powerful wizard out of the Triwizard tournament. "Background noise". If school houses are groups then the "best" of those school houses should say more than the perspective of a boy bias by being in a different group.

    Edit: maybe I shouldnt say most powerful, best rounded? Idk.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (7 children)

    Not because of the Snape "redemption" at the end of the movie?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

    She doesn’t have a snape tattoo. She has slytherin and deatheater tattoos.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (4 children)

    Yeah, that's why I mentioned the only notable character with positive attributes.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    A stalker who worshipped one woman because she talked to him as a child and he decided to abuse orphaned children caused by the very hate group he was a part of. As Voldemort is supposed to be placed during WW2, snape became a NAZI by choice... Then only decided to oppose them when Hitler decided to kill someone he cared about.

    Why he is such an ass to Neville we'll never understand.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    I thought he hated Neville because who the chosen one was prophecy described either Harry or Neville, and Voldemort went after Harry, sealing who the prophecy was and sealing Harry's mother's fate, making Snape hate him because Neville's parents could have died instead of a woman that would have never gotten with his shit ass.

    But it's been ages since I've read the books.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago*

    Nevilles parents were tortured to insanity by Snapes friend. "Not his friend" walks into his home and he doesn't kill them. How do we know it was done before.... Because they did it before Voldemort died. He was a baby who was orphaned because Snape was and will always be, worse than 99% of NAZI's. His actions after proved it

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Idk I think Malfoy gets it rough, kid was basically raised in and surrounded by a cult 24/7 with the threat of being ostracized by his family, friends and basically everyone he'd ever known if he put a foot out of line. The fact that he got any redemption arc at all even if it was late is more than a lot of indoctrinated people manage IRL.

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