Lindsay Owens, president and CEO of Groundwork Collaborative, said the new data makes clear that “tax flight is nothing more than a myth, and should be given as much credence as flat-earthers.”

“If there was any merit to the myth that tax increases on New York’s wealthy drive them away, the new IRS data should show it,” said Owens. “It doesn’t—New York’s millionaire population kept climbing years after the state raised taxes on top earners.”

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[–] 95 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Rich people only pay taxes when they sell assets. Their “income” is usually loans against those assets.

Their rich do not contribute, they extract. That’s how they became rich. They need us, our cities, our labor, and our tax funded infrastructure to run their businesses. That’s why they come and that’s why they won’t leave.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    You’re right, and that's why their threats to leave [insert city, state, country here] if they don’t get their way should always be ignored. It’s empty posturing from the Epstein class.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    That isn't the natural order of the universe, some immutable law, like Gravity.

    We can change that, and make those sorts of financial schemes illegal. We can force them to live off their money, and tax it as they access it. We can change the rules anytime we want.

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  • [–] 61 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    They want to live where its nice and safe and clean. Well high taxes goes to that so why would they leave to places with lower tax and higher crime and grime?

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Exactly. The article doesn't explicitly make that point, but it's like... Lots of people are willing to pay higher rent for an apartment complex with a pool, even if their neighbors also get to enjoy the pool.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The rich benefit when services are provided that keep the non rich around. It increases community vitality, food is better c culture is better, overall life quality is better.

    The rich should be taxed for their own good, they may not like it but it is absolutely in their best interest.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago

    Yeah, shocking that when you don't force people into a life of poverty and semi decent small businesses are capable of existing...the areas suddenly start getting a little safer and people with disposable income stimulate the local economy

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  • [–] 28 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    It's almost like millionaires generally like to be around civilization, places with infrastructure, and things to do. I'm shocked!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Families of millionaires like to live like millionaires, with lots of places to shop, eat, be entertained, and spend their money. They want to do that in a place that has all that stuff, but is also safe. NYC was starting to feel less safe again under the last few mayors. Apparently, the Sociopathic Oligarchs feel differently about Mamdani's NYC.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    So the rich people lied to us?????

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago

    Same thing happened in 2023 when Massachusetts imposed a 4% millionaire tax. Everyone parroted that businesses would leave, but the opposite happened. People moved in and the number of millionaires increased overtime.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago

    I would expect capital flight to be somewhat dose dependent but it's pretty clear it's a non-issue at the level of taxation we're discussing these days.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    They just changed their main residence to their NYC apartment to avoid the property tax on second homes.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    Rich people are full of shit? You don't say! 😱

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  • What about billionaires?

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    [–] 29 points 1 month ago

    Poking a giant hole in the persistent theory that wealthy people won’t want to live in states that require more from them in taxes, the number of New Yorkers reporting more than $1 million in income grew by about 3% after the tax rate was raised, the SOI data shows.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Amazing! Once again they are proven wrong.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    millionaires not BILLIONAIRES, they are the sole welfare babies whining about it.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago*

    Even billionaires are not as mobile as they like to pretend. Yes, they certainly have the means to pull up and relocate to some private island in the tropics where they won't be taxed, if they really wanted. However, by and large, their wealth is maintained by access to markets, connections and institutions without which, they canot function as well, and places like New York City have these things in droves. They don't want to pay 1% more in taxes a year if they can get away with it by bluffing, but do you really think they'll let it go if they still make more money in NY after raising taxes on them than they would in their private island?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    They moved there cuz the less crybaby millioniares knew the standard of living would have been nicer there and be a more stable environment.

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