To me it's the fighter jet equivalent of getting a Fairphone vs. iPhone. We won't be beholden to John Ternus and other US administration bootlickers, and in addition we'd have the ability to leverage Canadian expertise to make the Gripen better for all members. Like an iPhone, the F35 probably is a well put-together package, but we pretty much get it as-is with little control over operation and maintenance.
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The f35 strikes me as being an impossible wartime asset. It’s tremendously complicated and needs a lot of support. We’re seeing in Ukraine that cheap assets can eliminate very expensive assets pretty easily, and as with previous industrialized wars, the ability to churn out many military assets beats technology.
In the current political climate, no country (except perhaps Israel) should be part of the f35 failure of a program.
Keep in mind that even a US NORAD commander has said that the F-35 is not the best fighter for North American defence.
Of course they do. They don’t want to be the 51st state of the USA. Chances of that becoming true increase the more they have planes that can be disabled remotely by the imperialistic Trump war machine.
Only 40% of F-35 planes are currently operational during non war times.
Now imagine how difficult it would be to keep this in the air during war when US keeps the parts for their own planes.
Now even further, imagine a world when the US is either a neutral party or an enemy, and zero of those planes are flying.
Interesting. I wonder why they're considering the Gripen instead of the Eurofighter Typhoon (German/British/Italian/Spanish) or Dassault Rafale (French). To be honest I really don't know what the differences would be.
The interesting feature of the gripen is it's ability to land on rural roads. Sweden has many of those and Canada also. Another interesting feature is it's maintainability, just 6 man crew, fuel and ammo on a road between nowhere is enough for the gripen.
I'm kinda shocked people have strong opinions on fighter planes of all things. I barely know those two models of plane exist. I would answer "don't know".
The question isn't as much "Which of the two fighter jets are better suited for service" as it is "Do you want our military to be dependent on the US military-industrial complex or on the European?"
Do you know that the aircraft need servicing after every flight, otherwise it's grounded, and that supplies would come from the country of origin? US for F35. Sweden for Grippen.
Does that change your outlook?
Lots of parts on Gripen are from US, but they will at least get less money.
I guess, but I still wouldn't feel qualified enough to offer a confident answer. There are lots of factors.
So in Europe there was a desire to send F35s into conflict in Ukraine. US said no by saying that servicing supplies would not be made available.
Sovereign nations are unable to use their planes how they want to.
Now with Gripen it might be a similar situation, but Sweden has been trustworthy thus far.
Big investments like this are often very politicized-even before Trump and all-because it's to a large degree just geopolitics. Gripen is in all likelihood the better alternative, but F35 has been considered an excellent choice for countries wishing to suck up to America. Until recently sucking up to America was considered good defense policy among parts of the political spectrum.
This is the way! Not as technologically advanced as the F-35, but much better than a switched-off F-35 anyway.
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