Mainstream politicians express alarm while lead candidate in Saxony-Anhalt welcomes congratulations from Elon Musk

Mainstream politicians around Europe have expressed alarm after the far-right Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) swept to a historic state election victory in Germany, while nationalist figures cheered the result as a mandate for change.

While falling just short of an absolute majority, the AfD surged into first place in the Saxony-Anhalt state election on Sunday, exit polls ⁠showed, putting the far right within reach ​of power at ‌the state level for ‌the first time since the second world war.

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[–] 54 points 2 months ago (1 child)

So, I don't want to say this isn't worrying and this party definitely needs to be banned, but the article almost only mentions as a foot note that this has been long coming.

The last election saw them as second strongest party in that same state. This is not a full election, this is just for that single state where historically lots of people are voting for them.

So yeah, terrible, but also this has been building up for a while in that specific region.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago

    I think that actually makes it worse. The signs were there and instead of acting on it and opposing the xenophobic narrative, the big parties jumped on the bandwagon, hoping to pry the racist voters off of the AfD, but instead they assured the voters in their fear, pushing them further right.

    I'm gonna continue screaming into a pillow now.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago

    Thank the corrupt and elitist fucks of CxU and SPD for a couple of decades of cutting access to education and ignoring the problems of those under their rule. And fuck you, Frotze, in particular!

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  • [–] 42 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Funny, Channel 5 just re-released a video about the far right in Germany, which mentioned the exact province of Saxony Anhalt, and how there was an outcry against immigrants there even though the population of immigrants in that part of Germany is extremely low

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  • [–] 55 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    It's always the people with 0 immigrants living near them bitching about immigrants.

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    [–] 82 points 2 months ago* (11 children)

    Alright European lemmings... You've been lecturing us American lemmings for several years about what you'd do if fascism started creeping into power in your country. Now's your chance, show us how it's really done.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Ok, watch and learn. By the time it's done it may be too late for you tho.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    feddit.it? Like Italy? Like "Benito Mussolini's bloodline is still in politics?" Like "already has a right-populist government"? Seems like you're not trending the right direction there.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    I have no doubt they will, actually.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (2 children)

    We won't, unless Germany somehow gets invaded by France. Only they know how to revolt, and we can't/won't communicate with them..

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago*

    Probably the same patterns the book Democracy in Chains discusses. The same history since the first hoarding and the power/wealth inequalities that came with it. The wealth pays for the armies and to protect the wealthy. Those with the money and power win and write the rules and history. The systems say, "believe us we know what's right". The problems are caused by the wealth inequality, but blamed on minorities and changing too fast can't deal with it, and only they have the solution, so dig in deeper and accept these new rules on free speech and protests against the ruler. Usa has the nazi ice abduct, abuse and put people in concentration camps that make the wealthy owners even richer, just like happened in olden days, already forgot, or some want to repeat it.


    Owners get richer,

    The more people they put in,

    Concentration camps

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    My guess is the AFD will try to install similar systems as orban did in Hungary. Once AFD functionaries can get their hands on might and government money they will try to tuck as much as possible into their pockets. They talk about patriotism but only act in their own self-interest. They dont even have real plans or visions on how to improve their voters live and are not able to give real substantial answers to journalists questions. But this doesn't matter to a lot of voters because they are either too frustrated by their own lives or the corrupt shit other political parties did or just brain rotted from tik tok. The AFD talking about patriotism makes them feel good and so they can neglect the fact that the AFD will make their live even worse and they can also neglect that the AFD will do ten times the corrupt shit the "mainstream" parties did. It's like a drug making you feel good even while facing doom.

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  • I wonder how much this has to do with musk owning twitter, larry ellison owning tiktok, and zuckerberg owning rest

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  • [–] 56 points 2 months ago* (8 children)

    AfD winning is a grave moment for Europe, but nobody should be listening to mainstream politicians about anything since they're half the cause of this mess.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    More than half, if you're talking about centrist/conservative politicians.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    The other half belongs to their rich backers.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    This is playing into pro-AfD propaganda. "Mainstream politicians" didn't suddenly change and become less competent than before.

    The re-emergence of fascism in the West has nothing to do with the failure of "mainstream politicians" to address problems. This is especially true in East Germany, where living standards have risen dramatically since the fall of communism.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    "Mainstream politicians" didn't suddenly change and become less competent than before.

    Maybe, but they're less restrained due to the death of radical labor. There's a reason social welfare in most of Europe develops to more or less its current state between 1945 and the 80s and just stops there.

    This is especially true in East Germany, where living standards have risen dramatically since the fall of communism.

    Actually increases in standard of living have proportionally basically the same in all of Germany since then, but also that doesn't make the housing crisis or insane energy prices sting any less. Radical politics in general takes off due to a perception that the mainstream politics isn't doing the job.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Maybe, but they’re less restrained due to the death of radical labor. There’s a reason social welfare in most of Europe develops to more or less its current state between 1945 and the 80s and just stops there.

    That's largely because social democrats did what they set out to do and delivered on their promises, which left them questioning what was left to do. In essence, the social democrats are victims of their own success.

    That's not to say European social democracies are some kind of utopia (nor that I personally think there is nothing left to improve), but they are still the strongest economies in the world. There is emphatically no economic reason that explains the recent surge in popularity of fascist parties.

    Actually increases in standard of living have proportionally basically the same in all of Germany since then, but also that doesn’t make the housing crisis or insane energy prices sting any less.

    That relative increase in HDI is more impactful when starting from a lower value. Sure, there is still a gap between West and East Germany, but it's much less than it used to be. The development of unemployment rates especially has been a dramatic improvement.

    Housing prices and living costs are especially high in places like Munich, Frankfurt/Main and Hamburg... where the AfD is especially weak. The AfD is strongest in areas that are the most affordable.

    Radical politics in general takes off due to a perception that the mainstream politics isn’t doing the job.

    Exactly, a perception. And where does that perception come from? Before the 90s, media were dominated and curated by intellectuals. Nowadays, they are dominated by racist and fascist hate speech. And this obviously benefits racist and fascist parties.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (18 children)

    Has anyone stopped to actually ask the people there why they voted that way or what they hope to achieve?

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  • [–] 35 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    Standard fascist playbook. They point to existing problems, and promise it's the fault of immigrants/minorities etc.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Ultimately what needs to be done is to solve those existing problems. You get extremists like this when the people feel like there's something wrong that the "mainstream" politicians are unable or unwilling to fix.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Absolutely! The bigger problem is the "centrist" politicians are useless. Almost all politicians are wealthy class, not rocking the boat is in their interests. Most of the time they are part of the problem. So everywhere we end with the choice between parasites who'd rather do nothing and just profit off whatever corruption they can get away with, or parasites who equally profit from the system but are also nazis.

    True change can only come from a bottom up movement, masses make demands so politics give in. NGOs, unions, student movements etc are the way to get our rights. We want rights, benefits, we need to ask for it properly, with strikes, protests, soup kitchens, activism. Worshiping power just makes us more miserable.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    ...soup kitchens and protests?!

    "Destrouy The Current Awful Economic System From ....A SOup Kitchen! Nothing Is To BE Done!"

    -Volademort Libin

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    No, volunteering and protesting won't destroy the system. You need a fight in many fronts. Reaching to people and building your community of dissidenta is key to that. You cannot have a revolution without solidarity.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    So has public education been gutted in Germany like it has been in the US? Trying to figure out why people still fall for this.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Education alone doesn't prevent people from being mislead by propaganda. Everyone is vulnerable to it, even i am. The key is to recognise it and be open enough to change your mind if you get new information. That's one of the parts that's sadly missing for a lot of people. Other parts are lacking media competency, because apparently a lot of people are unable to determine whether a Youtuber with a name like "truthwarrier88" is a trustworthy source comparable to DW or whatever. And then there is the issue of Russian propaganda and American social media platforms refusing to moderate their cesspools due to a twisted sense of "free speech". Well, and i guess that Covid thing also fried a few brains...

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    bernie sanders is not in any way a 'leftist'.

    He's a liberal zionist for one. And also he has never said he wants to eternally end capitalism. He also works with AOCIA ...the same aoc who is ALSO a liberal zionist AND she takes money from Big Pharma companies to retell their lies.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    He's a SocDem, so the most right-wing of the leftist spectrum. Always a disappointment.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    You are CORRECT!

    The socialist democrsts are one and the same in every part of the planet and in every part of history. They have never changed will never change. And so I will never trust them lol.

    "Wer hat uns verraten? Sozialdemokraten!" Never forgive . Never forget.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Channel 5 released a video about them yesterday: https://youtu.be/l2SjWowpynY

    It’s essentially the same playbook. The ones leading the movement are telling the people it’s the immigrants and LGBTQ+ people who are to blame. But when they are asked what is actually affecting them personally, it’s economic policy, affordability, etc.

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    the capitalistic system that we have created makes it so easy to become a racist or even an interbalized racist as I wass . Not only do those in power (billionaires and multi millionaires) fund smear campaigns against minorities and 2SLGBTQIA+ people but this system we have put in place makes it very easy for the average worker to unconciouusly become "anti-minority" or even 'anti-anyone who isnt super rich' because those who hold the most capital or have hhad the ability to obtain the most capital have become very good at painting themselves as saints when they are the cause of most of the world's iniquities and we have fallen for it all. Its a self-sustaining system that has to.be completely , permanently broken up

    "In keeping with their system-sustaining function, the major news media present reality as a scatter of events and subjects that ostensibly bear little relation to each other or to a larger set of social relations. Consider a specic phenomenon like racism. Racism is presented as essentially a set of bad attitudes held by racists. There is little analysis of what makes it so functional for a class society. Instead, race and class are treated as mutually exclusive concepts in competition with each other. But those who have an understanding of class power know that as class contradictions deepen and come to the fore, racism becomes not less but more important as a factor in class conflict. In short, both race and class are likely to be crucial arenas of struggle at the very same time. Marxists further maintain that racism involves not just personal attitude but institutional structure and systemic power. They point out that racist organizations and sentiments are often propagated by well-nanced reactionary forces seeking to divide the working populace against itself, fracturing it into antagonistic ethnic enclaves. Marxists also point out that racism is used as a means of depressing wages by keeping a segment of the labor force vulnerable to super-exploitation. To see racism in the larger context of corporate society is to move from a liberal complaint to a radical analysis. Instead of thinking that racism is an irrational output of a basically rational and benign system, we should see it is a rational output of a basically irrational and unjust system. By “rational” I mean purposive and functional in sustaining the system that nurtures it." -Michael PArenti

    "In all regions studied here, incorporation into the capitalist world-system was associated with a decline in wages to below subsistence, a deterioration in human stature, and an upturn in premature mortality. In parts of South Asia, sub-Saharan Africa, and Latin America, key welfare metrics have still not recovered.  Where progress has occurred, significant improvements in human welfare began several centuries after the rise of capitalism. In the core regions of Northwest Europe, progress began in the 1880s, while in the periphery and semi-periphery it began in the mid-20th century, a period characterized by the rise of anti-colonial and socialist political movements that redistributed incomes and established public provisioning systems.". Capitalism and extreme poverty: A global analysis of real wages, human height, and mortality since the long 16th century  by Dylan Sullivan and Jason Hickel

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago*

    They want the immigrants and the evil trans people out and more like it used to be.

    Of course this is all rooted in bad economy and infrastructure, especially in east Germany. And the Afd is unfortunately really good at presenting easy solutions to hard problems by blaming minorities for everything. They do this very effectively via tiktok and other new media which the old parties have not been able to unterstand yet.

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