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[–] 1 point 2 months ago

Futurism links to the SCMP (which acts under the Chinese Communist Party's censorship regime) which in turn is referencing a CNAS' 'online event' and a 'CNAS report published last week', though there are no links to the online event nor the report.

I couldn't find the online event, but here is the report for those who want to read it: Superpowers and AGI - How U.S.-China Competition Could Be Shaped by the Emergence of Artificial General Intelligence

The linked article is quoting Stokes, for example, saying,

"Data centers can be bombed with conventional munitions,"

and,

"Bombing would cross a major threshold that heretofore has not been crossed in US-China relations."

I can't find these and other quotations from the linked article in the original report (not even the SCMP is quoting these).

In the original report, there is no mention of a "US military strike against China" as the SCMP headline tries to make people believe.

In the original report, words like 'bombing' and 'espionage' - quoted by Futurism - don't even exist.

Though the report discusses the U.S./China rivalry regarding AGI, it does so in a much larger and more diverse frame, including the common U.S./China competition with the Global South and other regions, what supposedly happened if and when any other country develops AGI first, and more things related to this topic. It is by no means a report "U.S. versus China" as the linked article (and the SCMP) makes people believe.

AI critic Eliezer Yudkowsky - which is also not mentioned in the SCMP - indeed suggested in 2023 that countries needed to be ready to “destroy a rogue da center by airstrike," but this was not directed specifically to China or any other country. He meant that as a possible (and, for now, theoretical) future measure in case a data center becomes dangerous for humans and humanity at some point in the future.

But you can perfectly combine all these fake quotations and half-truths to create a hopelessly distorted reality. This is pure propaganda aiming to sow division.

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    [–] 44 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Why go all the way to China? Plenty of data centers to bomb right here in the US.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 months ago

    I was also thinking there aren't enough wars

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    Oh, yeah, let's go to war with China, GREAT idea! That won't be bad for the entire fucking world at all!

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    Oh come on, no one who would consider themselves to be a computer scientist thinks that LLMs will lead to AGI.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    Can we stop pretending Obama and his cabinet were the good guts, yet?

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    It's kinda silly to call any complex political party "the good/bad guys". Compared to the current administration of the US Obama looks like a shining knight on a unicorn. Geopolitically they did some damage too though. Libya says hi. All in all it's just too complicated to break it down to good/bad.

    Either way this is just some guy who's speculating about AGI and it sounds like the usual AI company ad headline about how scary good and important their technology is. Is it though? AGI by next year, bro, we swear. Just one more datacenter, bro. China is winning the race, bro, please. A few more trillions and we'll get there, bro.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    US Obama looks like a shining knight on a unicorn.

    Only because, unlike Donald, he didn't open his mouth about all the shitty things he was doing every hour of every day.

    Obama was just as much of a motherfucker as Donald. He was just smart enough to make his pretty, generic speeches and otherwise keep his fucking mouth shut.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Obama was just as much of a motherfucker as Donald

    Both sides?

    From a comparative standing:

    Trump is clearly worse. Also more incompetent. Our grandkids will be recovering from his impact on the working class.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

    The only difference was presentation. That and, arguably Obama's corruption was worse considering his brain was actually functional.

    As for 'both sides', might be a good time to ditch your thought-terminating cliches.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    The only difference was presentation.

    Am I arguing with a high schooler?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    While Obama and Trump do have policy differences, their primary role is as facilitators of imperialism and maintenance of settler-colonialism. In that sense, that crucial, principal sense, both are deeply aligned, and as this is principal, it is the driving factor.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    I’m going to run with this insane take next time I’m asked if I want one of these apparently legitimate military targets in my backyard

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago*

    lets use obamas name as a carrot and ai as a stick to get folks onboard with something that is mother trumping stupid.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    As much as I am all for the destruction of data centers, can we not find a civil solution like having governments create malware that destroys the contents of the server and then shreds the bytes instead?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    This is just the kind of dumb shit I'd expect out of someone who has been highly placed within the US Government.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    That's a two way street isn't it? 🤣

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    MAGA always forgets that. They were SHOCKED that Iran fired back, and immediately destroyed their logistics hub in Bahrain.

    MAGA thinks everybody is as stupid as they are, and they don't understand that EVERYBODY is much smarter than them. Even the Pakleds understood that they were stupid. MAGAs are dumber that Pakleds.

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  • So, this is the real reason they are selling the "AGI" bs narrative to regular people. More excuses for wars. As I have been saying....the US should be considered a global threat. Nobody is safe from this warmongering lunatics. If the world won't strike first....they will.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    They do know nukes will blow them up as well right?

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    [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Neo-Lib DNC continue to enable fascists and push the world into thermonuclear apocalypse.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    What, so the us nazis can get there first? Stop dragging it out.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    Why not be concerned with the ones at home before starting WW3? Absolutely insane take.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    venezuela and greenland didn’t work, americans are jaded about iran, and russia is obviously a non-starter. i think we either start a war with china or do some real left-field strikes on india or some shit.

    GOTTA start a war before the election season gets running.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Very progressive

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Nutty, if they did that I'd expect China to start funding terror ops in america

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    former Obama-era national security official Jacob Stokes

    Found the mythical centrist DNC want Amekkkunts to vote for.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)
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    [–] 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)
  • I heard somewhere China and Russia have developed EMP tech that could wipe out all our electronics. No idea if that’s real, but we probably shouldn’t piss them off too much

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    These AI companies really managed to make a whole generation of lead brain boomers to fully believe that AGI is real and we will have Terminator in a couple of years, their marketing teams deserve a raise

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    Holy mother of psychopath..

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    i wanna see them try

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago

    Tracks for Obama admin

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    What a fucking cunt

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    [–] 13 points 2 months ago*

    Anyone in position of power who suggests actions that may bring the world to brink of ww3 must be prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

    On another perspective you have to be a complete dumbfuck of an idiot to suggest bombing a country who supplies you a great chunk of your daily and advanced tech components. All because of what? Because Chinese companies were able to make LLMs that prove Western counterparts were just big inflated bubbles? Is that your forecast of achieving AGI? JFC the people running the most powerful country on Earth..

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    Holy shit, how the fuck does someone say something like that with a straight face?

    "Yeah I'm a little concerned about the idea someone might make something I saw about in a movie, lets trigger ww3 because fuck it"

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    Thats the stupidest idea I’ve heard in a long time.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    jesus fuck ww3 christ in a crockpot

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Lol, do it. I want to see the US economy crash completely.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    sooooo.. this is one of those articles you have to read. the guys is in a think tank where they come up with different ideas. he even talks about the issues. i guess someone heard it and ran with it as a deceleration of sonething we must do

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Futurism links to the SCMP (which acts under the Chinese Communist Party's censorship regime) which in turn is referencing a CNAS' 'online event' and a 'CNAS report published last week', though there are no links to the online event nor the report.

    I couldn't find the online event, but here is the report for those who want to read it: Superpowers and AGI - How U.S.-China Competition Could Be Shaped by the Emergence of Artificial General Intelligence

    The linked article is quoting Stokes, for example, saying,

    "Data centers can be bombed with conventional munitions,"

    and,

    "Bombing would cross a major threshold that heretofore has not been crossed in US-China relations."

    I can't find these and other quotations from the linked article in the original report (not even the SCMP is quoting these).

    In the original report, there is no mention of a "US military strike against China" as the SCMP headline tries to make people believe.

    In the original report, words like 'bombing' and 'espionage' - quoted by Futurism - don't even exist.

    Though the report discusses the U.S./China rivalry regarding AGI, it does so in a much larger and more diverse frame, including the common U.S./China competition with the Global South and other regions, what supposedly happened if and when any other country develops AGI first, and more things related to this topic. It is by no means a report "U.S. versus China" as the linked article (and the SCMP) makes people believe.

    AI critic Eliezer Yudkowsky - which is also not mentioned in the SCMP - indeed suggested in 2023 that countries needed to be ready to “destroy a rogue da center by airstrike," but this was not directed specifically to China or any other country. He meant that as a possible (and, for now, theoretical) future measure in case a data center becomes dangerous for humans and humanity at some point in the future.

    But you can perfectly combine all these fake quotations and half-truths to create a hopelessly distorted reality. This is pure propaganda aiming to sow division.

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    [–] 35 points 2 months ago

    Decrepit war hawk says we should attack more countries! Misunderstands what AGI is, more at 6!

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I know, as a species, we're desperately trying to start World War 3 on a bunch of fronts, but this is one of the stupider ones.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    We making anti-Obama posts now?

    People might be more open to this post if they mentioned his current position at CNAS or even his former position as an Analyst in Institute of Peace, clearly an ill fitting role for the slopper, instead of some shit he did over a decade ago. And, a minor nitpick, he was an advisor for VP Biden (under Obama) and Congresswoman Amy Klobuchar, not Obama specifically.

    With that out of the way, fuckin sloppers, man. They actually believe this shit or is Microsoft paying him up the wazoo?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    Agreed, though that might be the way to actually get people who aren't already opposed to stupid warhawks saying stupid warhawk things to apply some critical thinking to what's being proposed. Because I'd say almost everyone can tell at a glance how stupid this idea is, but a lot of trump supporters wouldn't apply the slightest bit of critical thought to something that came from trumps Institute of Peace.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    We live in a time where faith in the DNC has never been lower and fascism in the USA has never been higher and I don't think thats a coincidence. We shouldn't tolerate smearing the DNC right before a major election.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    You’re conflating Obama with an opinion from someone who was in his admin and is clout chasing.

    Edit: With the current hardware crunch, vaporizing hardware is stupid af. Can we all just gtfo ourselves.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago

    Futurism links to the SCMP (which acts under the Chinese Communist Party's censorship regime) which in turn is referencing a CNAS' 'online event' and a 'CNAS report published last week', though there are no links to the online event nor the report.

    I couldn't find the online event, but here is the report for those who want to read it: Superpowers and AGI - How U.S.-China Competition Could Be Shaped by the Emergence of Artificial General Intelligence

    The linked article is quoting Stokes, for example, saying,

    "Data centers can be bombed with conventional munitions,"

    and,

    "Bombing would cross a major threshold that heretofore has not been crossed in US-China relations."

    I can't find these and other quotations from the linked article in the original report (not even the SCMP is quoting these).

    In the original report, there is no mention of a "US military strike against China" as the SCMP headline tries to make people believe.

    In the original report, words like 'bombing' and 'espionage' - quoted by Futurism - don't even exist.

    Though the report discusses the U.S./China rivalry regarding AGI, it does so in a much larger and more diverse frame, including the common U.S./China competition with the Global South and other regions, what supposedly happened if and when any other country develops AGI first, and more things related to this topic. It is by no means a report "U.S. versus China" as the linked article (and the SCMP) makes people believe.

    AI critic Eliezer Yudkowsky - which is also not mentioned in the SCMP - indeed suggested in 2023 that countries needed to be ready to “destroy a rogue da center by airstrike," but this was not directed specifically to China or any other country. He meant that as a possible (and, for now, theoretical) future measure in case a data center becomes dangerous for humans and humanity at some point in the future.

    But you can perfectly combine all these fake quotations and half-truths to create a hopelessly distorted reality. This is pure propaganda aiming to sow division.

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