Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir on Thursday unveiled a plan for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza’s Palestinian population, which he and other Israeli ministers refer to as “voluntary migration,” a day after Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz said the removal of Palestinians was the only “real solution” for Gaza. Ben Gvir dubbed his […]


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[–] 93 points 2 months ago (4 children)

The Nazis (the original German ones) had a similar plan to move the Jews to Madagascar. Often it starts with plans for relocation only, but then that proves to not be feasible, it gets dark fast.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    They then started "evacuating" them to the east: Poland. There they had a military government outside of civilian oversight. Started with the ghettos, then work camps, then extermination camps. Evacuation became code for killing over time.

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  • [–] 114 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Are we allowed to call it a genocide in the news now?

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  • [–] 49 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    This dude is the new Hitler. He needs to be hanged in the street.

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  • [+] 7 points 2 months ago (8 children)
  • [+] -7 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Good lord what the fuck is wrong with you people

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Almost like years of seeing people abused and murdered while their houses and business are razed to the ground can radicalize people.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Exactly! They say that when you get older, the more conservative you get. I'm the god damn opposite, and I live in Denmark, own a house etc. I literally cannot complain, as I am myself in the 1% (of the world), but I'm just so fucking tired of the inequality that exists in the world. And I mean everywhere: from the local community to the global stage. It's tiring, and I do not believe that we will get rid of the evil without evil. It's been tried again and again, but there is always some fucking plutocrat that always wants more power.

    The king of Norway is dead, the current king has baggage with his family. I think the monarchy should be dismantled, and Norway should implement something similar to what Switzerland has.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago

    That expression about the older we get the more conservative was explicitly for boomers who reaped immensely from runaway neoliberalism. Millennial and Gen Z have had nothing but worsening conditions. I expect that saying to age out. We are radicalizing. I followed the same path as you. A decades proud reformer. But neoliberalism cannot be reformed.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    Block (possibly report if you care that much) and move on.

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    [–] 44 points 2 months ago

    “Real solution” performed better in the focus group than “final solution.”

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  • [–] 32 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Does he call it the "Final Solution" too?

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    "Final Solution" is so 20th century. This iteration calls it the "Real Solution".

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    It's so ironic that the former victim is now the current perpetrator, the current executioner.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago

    I still can't believe an anti war website title it this way. This has clear definition of genocide.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago

    Genocidal intent at the ballot box.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago

    "Only real solution" and one that might be final? Itd be hard to be more explicit if they tried

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    "voluntary migration" just like robbery victims voluntary give their wallets to the robber.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Can somebody stop his plan?

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago

    Not as long as most of the world turns a blind eye to it.

    People are mostly against Israel's genocide at this point. But the individualsin charge of various governments haven't.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago*

    They will get on the trains or buses, or planes or boats, thinking they are being exiled. They will be killed.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Bullshit pro-Russian source. That doesn't mean they're automatically lying, just providing some context here.

    Example: https://original.antiwar.com/ted_snider/2024/09/30/ukraine-should-rush-back-to-istanbul/

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    lemme guess

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    So is isreali now the bad guys? I mean I though they were the pillar that represented all that was good of mankind. So now they are Nazi 2.0? ...and Germany are the good guys...what a crazy timeline we live in. I'm so confused.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    So is isreali now the bad guys

    Have been since 1947 if not earlier.

    and Germany are the good guys

    Nope. Germany has the second-most zionist government outside of Israel, surpassed only by the US

    guys...what a crazy timeline we live in.

    On that you're ABSOLUTELY right, though 😮‍💨

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    [–] 0 points 2 months ago*

    Thing is, you can't trust anything coming out of Israel currently, even more so than usual (which is saying something). It's election season and politicians won't let little things like reality get in the way of campaigning.

    That's not to say that what politicians like Ben-Gvir say isn't important insofar as it can help you understand how they think, but it's not necessarily connected to anything actually going on.

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  • [+] -8 points 2 months ago (32 children)

    Not electing the lady who was lukewarm on Palestine sure seems to have helped them!

    At least we get a riviera and a trump hotel!

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago* (15 children)

    Hey buddy, maybe take your internal US politics to a US politics comm. Not every topic is an opportunity to take jabs at other Americans about your last election.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 months ago (14 children)

    Not an American. But this is direct consequence of the last election.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (13 children)

    It is not. It is consequence of the USA unconditional support for israel for decades

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    It ery much is. There are levels of support. We told you so. And here we are.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (11 children)

    Kamala, biden, obama,trump promised unconditional support for israel but here we are seeing people profiting from the palestinian suffering to score pitiful political points

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    There's support for Israel (the unconditional part you made up) and there's transforming Gaza into a riviera to build a hotel. Neither is good, but there's levels of bad.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (9 children)

    Unconditional support means allowing israel to finish the genocide . Which Harris and Biden did nothing to stop

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    Which isn't the same as accelerating it.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (7 children)

    Actually the genocide was faster during Biden. Trump should still rot in jail for his whole life like Biden and Harris

    70% of all structures in Gaza were damaged or destroyed 92% of all housing units destroyed or damaged 88% of school buildings were damaged or destroyed 80% of key water, sanitation, and hygiene (WASH) facilities Only 16 out of 36 hospitals were partially functioning, facing critical shortages of fuel, medicine, and clean water. 75% of agricultural land, including orchards and greenhouses, was damaged or destroyed

    https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/01/1158741 https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/spotlights/2024/gaza-is-in-ruins-after-israels-yearlong-offensive-rebuilding-may-take-decades https://www.dezeen.com/2025/01/22/gaza-housing-92-per-cent-destroyed-damaged-un-report https://unosat.org/products/4130 https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/devastating-lack-shelter-exacerbates-risk-harm-palestinians-gaza https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/verification-damages-schools-based-proximity-damaged-sites-gaza-occupied-palestinian-territory-update-9-may-2025 https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-destroying-agricultural-lands-and-blocking-food-aid-israel-uses-starvation-weapon-war-against-civilians-enar

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    So your point is that trump is not as bad because during his term (which is not over) Israel hasn't destroyed 70% of the buildings (despite only 30% being left)? Great reasoning. I'm sure you'll get a discount on the continental breakfast.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

    My logic make sense. Who is worst is determined by the level of destruction and murder they allowed Israel to do

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Ok, so literally razing every last crumb right now wouldn't be as bad, because less than half is left?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    so literally razing every last crumb right now wouldn’t be as bad It would be bad and Biden and Harris was going to let it happen

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Let it happen is not as bad as participating, accelerating and profiting. Would they have bombed Iran too?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    You seriously claim that the usa was not always participating in israeli settler colonialism which is genocidal by nature? Reality show that the genocide is not accelerating right now , it is just ongoing . If gaza is fully exterminated during Trump he will become worse until then Biden was worse and harris said she will not change a single thing in Biden policies towards gaza.

    Harris and Biden did not condemn trump saying he will build a riviera and praised the so called peace plan . So actually the biggest supporters of Trump in regard to Gaza is those two and you

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (13 children)

    She was lukewarm on Palestine? She literally agreed with trump fake peace plan

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    What color did she propose the Harris Hotel to be?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (11 children)

    The color of blood red. The only difference between Harris and Trump is that trump want to profit from genocide while Harris wanted israel to do whatever it want in Gaza

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    So she didn't want a hotel? How is it red then?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (9 children)

    Her and biden blamed hamas for the lack of cease fire when israel was the issue, hmas literally offered to return the hostages from the first day. They didn't use their power to stop israel

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    They didn't. Which doesn't mean they were as bad as riviera donny.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (7 children)

    Is there a big difference between letting Israel destroy Gaza to build things for future colonizers and colonies, versus letting them destroy Gaza and then having Americans build a Riviera in it?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Is it different letting something happen versus actively participating in it? Yes, very much.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (5 children)

    By giving weapons to israel you are actively participating in the genocide

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah, that's the opposite of the meaning of "actively"...

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    actively can also mean continuously or ongoing

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Oxford dictionary disagrees: by one's own action, voluntarily, deliberately

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  • [+] -12 points 2 months ago (1 child)