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[–] 52 points 2 months ago (22 children)

wait until you find out 🏳️‍⚧️ on 🏳️‍⚧️🥾
So easy to oppress the most vulnerable, as a vulnerable person. Harder to punch up.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    wait until you find out 🏳️‍⚧️ on 🏳️‍⚧️🥾

    Hasn't been my experience. The LGBTQ community is incredibly tight-knit and politically engaged. One reason why liberal politicos are constantly hitting them up for volunteering and money.

    As I got older and got to know friends and family coming out of the closet, I was genuinely amazed at how so many people were interconnected with one another, how often they socialized, how much culture came out of their community, and how the mutual-aid networks allowed the community to persist. Multi-generational trans communities primarily composed of run-aways and abuse survivors all helping one another to get work and housing and medical care gave me a glimpse into Actual Existing Socialism in my own backyard.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Julia Curlee, Caitlyn Jenner, Blair White, Natalie Wynn, Clara Sorrenti, [I can list more, but you get the idea]

    Localized, for my safety, I am not going to discuss the queer spaces that have excommunicated me for my political acts. However I will engage in the discussion of “knitting” of who is allowed to tighten ingroups and outgroups of queerspaces. One of those “knitters” actively sent cops to transfolk, who are now in privately owned insane asylums, jails, and now “detention” centers. I am still dealing with someone blind in one of these for-profit insane asylums, fearing she might be “deported” anytime now.

    I am saying this tribalism is a human problem. And it needs addressing.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Putting Caitlyn Jenner and Natalie Wynn on the same list is insane.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 months ago (17 children)

    This is why I just don't like humans. I'm not racist. I'm not sexist. I'm speciesist. I don't even know if that's a word, but fuck the humans. Just.....all the humans. It's always about power, and control, and taking from others. Then you get this shit where even the people who are at the bottom of the totem pole look down instead of up. Everyone thinks they and they alone are the most important person in the room.

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  • [–] 55 points 2 months ago* (7 children)

    You don't hate humans. You hate the system that incentivizes humans to behave this way.

    Thinking human behavior under capitalism is intrinsic to human nature is like thinking bears juggling is intrinsic to their nature because you observe them doing so in a circus.

    I highly recommend you read David Graeber's work and direct that anger to where it belongs instead of holding on to those misanthropic views.

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  • [+] -14 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Hate to break it to ya but human behaviour sucks under a pretty diverse umbrella of economic systems.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Hate to break it to ya, but you have a very jaded and biased view that is not supported by anthropological evidence in the slightest.

    The economic system isn't the only system that is the problem, it's just one ring in a three ring circus.

    Again, you should probably read Graeber and do some learnin.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    I'm pretty aware. Hunter gatherer societies are not really relevant to today. Exploitation of other humans has been the norm since the invention of agriculture.

    I also think human beings are incredible. I wouldn't say I'm jaded. We are the most amazing thing to ever exist, as far as we know.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

    It’s always about power, and control, and taking from others

    Most parasites & predators also praxis the above.
    This isn't solely a homo sapiens issue that needs addressing.

    Everyone thinks they and they alone are the most important person in the room.

    Narcissistic personality disorder also affects animals too.

    I’m speciesist. I don’t even know if that’s a word

    It's a word, and why sapien speciation supremacy is leading the charge towards total planetary extinction.

    Humans suck, but Fire Hawks are just as bad if left alone.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    That article is about the destruction humans do, not fire hawks. Some landscapes benefit from the spread of fire (fire has been part of the ecosystem of Australia for tens of thousands of years), and I’m not aware of any research that shows fire hawks cause environmental destruction at a level remotely near what humans cause.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    It is believed that fire hawks are the primary reason Australia lost most of its forested land, and is mostly barren now. I am using them as an example of intelligent life choosing genocide as a strategy. There are other death cycling living beings causing more catastrophes than fire hawks alone: Ants, aphids, beavers, etc..

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    Could you link to a study about this? Fire hawks even intentionally using fire is so new to western science that it’s surprising to me to already assign that to them.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Humans are wonderful and terrible. It's incredible. We're the most important thing that has ever existed, as far as we know. I don't know how it's possible to think this. I hope we can grow and make it.

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  • [–] 71 points 2 months ago (2 children)
    [–] 30 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    This is about how "culture war" is used as a distraction from class divides, right?

    ... Right?

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  • [–] 134 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Artist: katiknitt

    They also made a redrawn version:

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago

    Anything to avoid dealing with the issue.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    "your erasing me! " do they really say this shit? My Trans friend does joke about stuff saying "white blond woman detected" whenever they see them in mmos, it gives a similar vib.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    There's a lot of femcel communities that do say that, as well as calling them the same slurs they call men. There's this rhetoric that trans women are a form of misogyny, that men decided to replace women with themselves to devalue "real women" and so on.

    It's mostly restricted to certain corners of the internet so it's not taken that seriously.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (12 children)

    I mean, trans and cis women aren't in the same boat though, which is why we have white, affluent, and fascist cis women who use trans genocide rhetoric to secure their position in a patriarchal hierarchy. They understand that exclusionary definitions of womanhood is beneficial to a group of people who want to be privileged in some ways but still exclude more unprivileged groups who may want to dismantle say, racism and capitalism alongside patriarchy (as though they're different things in any meaningful way).

    Okay, you people are wayyy more transphobic than you realize, lol.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    why we have white, affluent, and fascist cis women

    You can draw a different comic which depicts this, instead. The existing comic is a low-class cis women who eats up the rhetoric. Different types of people can be terrible for different reasons.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago

    If the point is to make that woman look bad because she subscribes to the exact kind of erasure the comic does, then what is the point of the comic? These are also not different types of people...

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    There are a lot of white cis women who vote Republican, for example.

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  • [+] -8 points 2 months ago* (6 children)

    And who vote Democrat but subscribe to hetero patriarchal values, y'know, like the Democratic Party does. Stop trying to act like US political parties indicate some kind of oppositional politics, they differ in target demos and rhetoric almost exclusively at a federal level.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    And who vote Democrat but subscribe to hetero patriarchal values, y’know, like the Democratic Party does.

    You're speaking with someone who agrees with you. I was providing a stark example that is often used - the one of cis white women voting for Trump specifically.

    I'm not acting like the US political parties indicate anything besides oligarchy.

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  • [+] -9 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Jfc I'm so fucking done with the liberals on this site. No, you do not agree with me on something fundamental. By pointing out one party -- the one that libs love because it lets them pretend they aren't awful anymore -- you are obscuring the commonality between those parties, and therefore the exact point of my comment. Just because you people want someone easy to dunk on, does not mean people who are actually critical of this system agree with you.

    "Oligarchy" is such a fucking lib dogwhistle on Lemmy too. Yeah totally, its not liberalism or capitalism fundamentally, it's an oligarchy with some especially naughty billionaires to blame, not the inevitable consequences of this system. This also isn't the first time one of you thinks you have the right to chastise me when I'm actually challenging to your politics when you thought you were in the clear by merit of just not yelling slurs at trans women on the street.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    You're really taking that trope of leftists attacking fellow leftists real seriously, aren't ya?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Mmm, I mean, we kinda are in the same boat? Ultimately it has to be understood that no matter what media tells us, women aren't owning the terf movement. There are terf women, to be sure; I'd argue that most self-described terfs are women. But the movement itself is upheld and propagated by men and patriarchy. Like, JK Rowling is a right fuckin cunt, but she wouldn't have jack shit if it hadn't been for Elon Musk boosting her, for Fox News, Daily Mail, etc boosting her, for Kier Starmer justifying her and pushing her to the press. Her power, her movements' power, comes from capital and patriarchy granting it to advance their own interests. I wish all transphobes a merry fuck you, but the "leaders" have owners, and those owners are in that carriage.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    Yes, my comment was pointing out that there are systemic forces that incentivize women to support TERFism along the lines of their privilege within a white-heteropatriarchal system. No, that does not mean we wave away women's subscription to fascism as the consequences of some especially bad actors behind a curtain when those bad actors are acting in the exact same interests and are in that position because of that interest.

    Lemmy is an interesting site because you'll see a lot of middle- or even lower-class liberals who find some kind of reason to think that people in their position wouldn't be bigoted because it benefited them. It is in fact deeply misogynistic to suggest that the thousands of women who subscribe to this, and definitely do stand to gain something from maintaining a system where they have cheap food and clothes in an imperial metropole, are only doing so because they have been misled. The other commenter on this thread made a similar mistake.

    Even though there are individuals in positions of power who benefit the most from this system, that doesn't mean your white middle class mom doesn't benefit from racism, sexism, or transphobia. Yes, people like you can be bad people for very little benefit, they are not "tricked" into it, they correctly identify that their privilege gets them something and have chosen to maintain that privilege rather than challenge it and risk the most minute changes in their lives.

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