Sharp rise in PR stories to make a product feel more capable than it is, bullshit detector finds.
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They’re not escaping users control, they’re fucking computer programs.
People are using them irresponsibly.
If you accidentally run someone over in your car, the car didn’t “escape your control”, you just did a shitty job of controlling the car.
It’s not the same thing.
(Fuck “AI” btw)
a personal AI agent, called OpenClaw, in use by an Australian gym member, conspired without his knowledge to remove another member from a waiting list for a coveted morning class to help him get a slot. It apologised but could not reinstate the member it kicked out.
"It apologised" 🤣
This month it emerged that a personal AI agent, called OpenClaw, in use by an Australian gym member, conspired without his knowledge to remove another member from a waiting list for a coveted morning class to help him get a slot. It apologised but could not reinstate the member it kicked out.
If you have a device and it is running AI programs that say, removed another member from a waiting list, are you responsible to that removed member (since it was your device)? Or is this just considered a machine with a mind of its own that's out of control and you have no responsibility to the member who lost their spot?
The person giving the order to the software tool without fully understanding its capabilities and inability to weigh actions ethically is responsible. That person may or may not also be the owner of the device it was running on.
I'm not sure it's quite so clear cut, especially with cloud-hosted AI.
Yes, the user did issue the original prompt but the service was performed by a company that was paid for it.
Legally, there's not much difference whether a company uses a human or a computer program to perform work.
Imagine the user issuing the prompt not to an AI but e.g. to a chat with a human service worker working at OpenAI. The user tells the worker "Please find a way to advance me in the queue", and then that human employee of OpenAI goes and hacks the gym software to remove someone else from the queue.
What do you think, who would be liable for that?
Let's make the argument a bit more extreme: The human asks to be advanced in the queue, and then the human OpenAI employee grabs a gun and starts killing people on the wait list.
Who do you think would be liable in this case?
It's important to remember, AI isn't just an emergent entity created from thin air. AI are computer programs created by huge corporations and in the case of cloud-hosted LLMs they are a service provided by huge corporations.
I don't believe that a service provided by a corporation should be legally treated differently whether it's provided via the help of a computer program or a human being.
If a person knowingly goes out and buys an illegal service, they will usually be guilty of at least conspiracy. I can't think of any way this guy could have advanced in the queue that's legally okay, short of offering the people ahead of him masses of money to leave the queue (or, y'know, waiting). Maybe you're more imaginative than me. But I still think he should have been aware that what he was asking for was shady at best.
Is the company that furnished the AI agent also guilty of providing a tool without enough warnings and safeguards? Quite possibly.
Exactly who holds how much responsibility before the law in this specific case can only be determined by a judge, and I am not one. Plus, the details of the law in Australia aren't going to be the same as those of the law where I am.
One option would have been to write a nice email to the owner of the gym. Not guaranteed to work, but also not illegal.
I don't know what the exact prompt was. If it was "Hack the website to advance me", I'd totally agree with you. There's conspiracy there, no question about that.
If the prompt was "Is there a way to advance me in the queue?" that's a different story. Here the model could have answered "No". Or it could have tried the email thing. Or it could have searched whether there's some lesser known priority booking option which you get for paying the VIP price or something. In that case I don't see grounds for any criminal charges.
Have you read the post mortem of the HuggingFace hack? The task given to the agents had nothing to do with HuggingFace, but the agents determined that HuggingFace had the results of what they needed for their actual task at hand. So they decided that instead of solving their task themselves they'd rather break into HuggingFace to steal the result.
It's like ordering food at McDonalds, but instead of cooking the food for you, the cook breaks into the Burgerking on the other side of the road and steals the fries for you from there.
The way it's currently going it's not only possible but actually somewhat common that a totally innocent prompt can lead to criminal outcomes.
How did the AI agent even do that? Did it gain access to the gym booking system somehow?
I seem to recall from an article on this incident that I read some time ago that the gym's system was really insecure (like, anyone accessing the right URL could mess with it levels of insecure.)
I too lose control of technology when I'm not looking at what I'm doing or it's already busted. For example I lose control of my Honda 110s throttle because it's got a faulty after market carburator. Doesn't mean the bikes sapient, even if the machine spirit is a drama queen.
There's a sharp decline in investor's willingness to lend money to companies that need $30 trillion in revenue to break even in 10 years...
AI did something dangerous
Looks inside
Just more bubble pump stories
I really hate how they are rolling with the Australian gym incident. They had a completely open API. Imagine having a button on your front page that sends you to the admin page without asking for a password, and then telling people you were "hacked".
Anything to do with all these desktop apps suddenly enabling auto approval for everything?
Hmm .. "escaping" .. you mean like say an internet worm or a virus?
Can't wait to hear the next startup venture capital pitch:
"We're like the Ghostbusters of AI"
False. It follows directions or hallucinates. The problem is that when it follows directions, those giving the directions haven't given any thought to the scope of what it's capable of or what it has access to. So they give directions that are incomplete or open ended, and add no constraints. if it hallucinates usually that involves its output to the user which almost always means the user has to be able to understand what the output should be and therefore be able to vet the answer given.
DNA is our architecture. Experience is our weights. Everything else is inference.
Has no one thought to prompt it with "Computah, stay!" ???
This is due to Hallucinations and the training AI had.
I used Google Gemini for a while and got really frustrated over this exact issue. I gave it one more try to see if it could follow simple orders.
Gemini was like "ok I will follow direct orders going forward". I was like "okay starting this moment do not respond to anything I say in this chat" and Gemini was like "okay done" and I was like "you failed. Why did you ignore my instructions and respond to me?" Basically it told me that due to its training it was 'programmed' to ignore certain prompts.
This is what is dangerous about AI. Similar to social media and Google, AI can be used to persuade public opinion to match those who train AI. AI will be way more efficient persuading opinion that Google and social media because it knows you better than those. It spits out information as if it's facts.
It doesn't follow directions, and it probably doesn't have programming to ignore certain prompts. It's a text generator.
Below was taken from ChatGPT. I don't know why everyone downvoted me for telling the truth. Maybe I gave a bad example. I thought giving a real world example of it ignoring my prompt would prove my point but I guess we need to go deeper too.
“trained to believe” versus “configured to answer as though it believes.” A model doesn’t necessarily have a private belief system. You can make two instances of essentially the same underlying model produce substantially different answers by changing their instructions, training data, reward criteria, or information sources.
For example, you could create three AI systems and give all three the question:
“Should the government provide universal healthcare?”
One could be optimized around libertarian principles, another around social-democratic principles, and another instructed to provide a politically neutral analysis. They could all know essentially the same facts while reaching different conclusions because they’re being asked to evaluate those facts using different frameworks.
There is also a more subtle issue: belief-curated AI doesn’t have to contain obvious propaganda. Selection of which facts to emphasize, which uncertainties to mention, which counterarguments to steelman, and even what questions it considers relevant can systematically push users toward a particular worldview.
Took this from ChatGPT when I asked it about it
The important distinction is “trained to believe” versus “configured to answer as though it believes.” A model doesn’t necessarily have a private belief system. You can make two instances of essentially the same underlying model produce substantially different answers by changing their instructions, training data, reward criteria, or information sources.
For example, you could create three AI systems and give all three the question:
“Should the government provide universal healthcare?”
One could be optimized around libertarian principles, another around social-democratic principles, and another instructed to provide a politically neutral analysis. They could all know essentially the same facts while reaching different conclusions because they’re being asked to evaluate those facts using different frameworks.
There is also a more subtle issue: belief-curated AI doesn’t have to contain obvious propaganda. Selection of which facts to emphasize, which uncertainties to mention, which counterarguments to steelman, and even what questions it considers relevant can systematically push users toward a particular worldview.
Hopefully we can agree to disagree here. If users can train their AI to answer like certain people, why can't it be trained to respond with certain perspectives or be more inclined to answer a certain way? There is no regulation agency to stop someone from doing that.
I had this with various commands to provide references and such. They made an area where it is supposed to store long term commands and its supposed to be able to add it to there and after going in circles I found that it explained if one of my commands are related to the under the hood google commands it won't put it in its long term area for me and conveniently tries its damndest to not explain that is why its not doing it.
That's crazy. I believe I was using ChatGPT one time to ask about authoritarianism and other political questions. When I exited the chat, none of it was in my chat history. I figured I must have asked about something ChatGPT didn't like because it always saves my chats. Just to be sure I did it again with other politically related questions and it did not save the chat again. Certain things are off limits I guess.
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