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[–] 9 points 2 months ago

Aren't macOS and OSX just different versions of the same thing? Why break them out when Windows is all in one? Never been a Mac user, someone help me out.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Still needs to drop much more.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    At this rate, it will. Windows 11 is a turd, and i don’t expect it to get any better unless shareholders get rid of the current CEO.

    Foreign governments are trying to wean themselves from US tech. That’ll be a big chunk soon. I expect they will roll their own unix/linux distros.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    What's the anomaly around 2023/2024 where people seemed to switch to OS X and then back?

    That doesn't seem like a switch people would undertake lightly, considering they'd need new hardware.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Since it's just a share of total usage, that doesn't necessarily mean that people switched.

    There were a lot of layoffs in 2023, and big companies tend to use Windows as their enterprise desktop. So a drop in Windows users at the enterprise level would necessitate that other OSs now have a larger share of the remaining pie.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    Isn't this based on web traffic, and if so it is very unreliable due to the large amount of bot traffic?

    It is clear Windows is dropping, and it's great. But probably not at this speed.

    Anyway, it's the year of the Linux Desktop, now's the time to switch!

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    [–] 66 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Why is iOS listed under "desktop operating systems"?

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I assume they are including tablets as desktops

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  • [–] 94 points 2 months ago (15 children)

    60% is suspiciously low. Most companies use Windows, what is your source?

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Last time this, or something like this, was posted it was because fewer and fewer people are using PCs at home. They just have a smartphone or tablet and that's it.

    In that case they're not using windows they're using MacOS or Android.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Every time someone brings this, but that same statcounter site show desktop vs mobile somewhat stabilizing a few years ago, so that's not a plausible explanation for current trends. Also, we they're not transparent about their methods or anything, so we can't really know

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  • [–] 75 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Last time this was posted it came down to many bots run on Linux. Thus if near 60% of all internet traffic is bots. These numbers show nearly nothing of value when it comes to figure out what humans are using anymore.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    The truth is that the data isn't transparent enough, and we have no idea about the causes. Everything is mere speculation

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I wish more people would say things like this

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Well, the fact of the matter is that the information provided isn't clear enough with its sources, so we must have doubts about the reasons. All of it is simply throwing shit at the wall to see what will stick.

    (If you hadn't said "like this", I would have copypasted it… ;-) )

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    This chart is for desktops, I imagine most bots aren't running on desktops, right? So if it's counting bots the methodology is wrong.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    They use desktop user agents if they don’t identify themselves with a known bot tag

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Yeah, most bots purpose is to spoof what machine and browser they are using for access. So while the many bots are supposed to be spoofing Windows and such, who knows what percentages are getting detected as not. We don't have the data

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)
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    It’s because of the recent explosion in bot traffic. Bots are largely run on Linux, using basic desktop user agents. So when studies like this look at desktop traffic, they see a disproportionately high number of Linux desktop users. But in reality, the vast majority of those “users” are actually just bad bots and scrapers who aren’t properly flagging themselves as bots (because they know sites will block them for scraping content).

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    And OS X has changed its name to macOS:)

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Yes, in 2020, as part of a way to market a regular annual OS update. The distinction between OSX and MacOS makes zero sense here.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I know it makes zero sense - that’s what I’m trying to point out. It’s been called Mac OS X, OS X, and macOS in the past 15 years or so ;)

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    What I would really like is if they'd given OS X a colour close to Mac OS, instead of close to Linux.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    They should just merge them. They don’t show up Debian and Arch or different kernel versions separately. Windows 7/8/10/11 is also not separate. It just makes the bottom of the chart too crowded, while macOS could be closer to the middle

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    The fucking file system doesn't even work on windows.

    Is delayed enough that is goddamn aggravating. All that fucking stupid onedrive shit, I'm guessing.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I accidentally opened Edge on my work computer and it simply won't let you close it until you've gone through their inital "welcome" setup. The X on the window doesn't work, same with the X in the taskbar pop up and right-click close, not even alt-f4 worked. Only thing that actually closed it was going through the task manager.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    it's exactly that. at least the delay that I've come across. thankfully it's been fixed on Windows 11 now, but it's absolutely mind-blowing how long that was an issue

    when I was testing it out, accessing files through the OneDrive path would have the second delay at every folder navigation. if I remapped that directory to a local drive letter then it worked as expected, instant. literally just one drive fucking it up

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I like to bash on Windows but MacOS jumping overnight from 5% to 20% is a bit unbelievable

    Ok that the MacBook neo sold many units, but I don't think it's this many.

    Those stats are aggregated from web visits so IMHO it's ai scrapers faking a MacOS user agent to scrape with less suspicion

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I agree, many websites discriminate against linux and most likely give a blind pass to MacOS wouldn't be surprised if scrapers figured this out, and about the MacBook neo first it was made with the lower end of the binned ipad chips, the supply was already low to begin with, MacBook user share is highly inflated in people's perseception compared to reality, Macbooks virtuay don't exist outside of the imperial core

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    What is the "macOS" that apparently launched in 2025? 🤔

    It's been called "macOS" since 2016: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS#Timeline_of_releases

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I choose to believe that one of those 'others' datapoints is my copy of Freedos.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    People who think 60% is too low haven't met a young person in a while, I think... virtually everyone in every class I teach uses Apple computers or tablets; I'm absolutely not surprised that's where most of the change has gone, at least for personal use. (And in the US specifically)

    That said, I'd have thought the 30% mac share was earlier than 2010, this suggests that it's more recent? Apple might as well been running a psyop to get young people to use their products since the 90s. I remember when I was in middle school, they "generously" donated a lab full of those colorful iMacs to my school. Seems it might have been the first computer many of my peers had even touched, too.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    People who think 60% is too low haven’t met a young person in a while, I think…

    Since last year when it was still around 80%?

    The severe drop is probably not permanent, while the gradual downturn probably is.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    Market share =/= people

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    Wait, MacOS and osx on separate lines means that in 2026 almost 20% of global user agents are with a MacOS version released before 2016??

    The "os x" line is to be interpreted as "badly coded scraping bots with outdated user agent", right?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    I wonder how China ditching ms is gonna look like on this graph.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    As fun as that would be, the more plausible explanation is that statcounter is bobbins. Windows has not lost a quarter of it's users in a year, and certainly not to Apple...

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    Newsflash: desktops are dead. We are absolute dinosaurs. Most people dont have one. They only use a phone.

    Source: mostly every normie I know.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Sucks for them if they have to limit their Internet perspective to a shitty little phone screen. I'd still rather be the cool dinosaur with my gaming desktops with big screens and mechanical keyboards.

    My kids love gaming on the desktop computers too - that's the Trojan horse (games) that gave me motivation to learn how to use computers in the first place. Gotta learn how to work the computer to get the games to work.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago*

    Yep I feel the same.

    However, you can plug that little crappy phone into a DEX hub with a KB/mouse/monitor and play witcher 3 which is cool.

    Not my jam though. I like to actually own my hardware, and be able to repair it. Something phones will never do.

    A lot of it was due to how awful windows is, folks gave up trying to work around all the bullshit and said a phone is easier.

    I totally feel you. Something to be said for our era where it took work to make games work and that gave me a baseline of computing knowledge. Kids today play on browser or hit download on steam and it works. Which is fine. But they get 0 learning from it. Hence why Young's are idiots at computers unless parents teach it outright.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Both cloudflare stats and statcounter show desktops with roughly 46% of the marketshare. This is definitely not dead, definitely not an "absolute dinosaurs" thing.

    I wonder why people are like that every time a post like this appears. Too much insecurity, perhaps?

    Also, somehow, these days, people tend to act like everything below 50% is absolute zero when it comes to tech

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Well, I have 4 desktops myself. And I assume other nerds have multiple, so that may skew it.

    I'm not trying to downplay it but I am just stating that desktops largely dont matter and won't matter in 10 years. Show me a 13 year old using a desktop. There aren't any outside of nerd families.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Because desktops are expensive. You people just can't afford them. You need to put at least 1k into the PC then another 200 into the screen, then mouse, keyboard, headset, webcam... They are cheaper off buying a phone.

    Young people barely own stuff anymore. Their wealth is historically low as the tech barons, land barons, and so on own everything they want: homes, tech, uni debt, subscriptions, everything. And meanwhile the young are expected to work longer hours for less pay. In certain countries their pay is taxed up to 50%, but a wealthy person doesn't get a salary so they aren't taxed.

    Their parents didn't do much better either, but they didn't have it as bad. But it was bad enough that daycare and childcare is fucking expensive, so they shove a phone into the child's face: now the children know phones from a very young age and are also conditioned to buy one asap because it's all they know.

    So yeah, I don't blame young people for not owning PCs. Our society has fumbled, is fumbling, and will continue to fumble making it affordable. If we want young people to be more interested in computing beyond telling Claude to write shit for them, we should be worrying about the wealth gap and affordability crisis.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    Not completely true. My desktop is 15 years old and ive barely put 400 dollars in it. Used parts. parts from friends throwing stuff. Plays every game I need. Other desktops were from the dumpster or schools throwing them out.

    What I mean is, kids dont do that now. Theyre stuck on iPads.

    I agree with you still. Its the parents fault completely. The issue is most parents are tech illiterate as well. Downward spiral.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Sad that OSX is taking the lions share of that drop, but it's better than nothing, I suppose. One battle at a time. One tiger at a time.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Im surprised honestly because for me apple kinda peaked in 2010ish. I would exect android to be the purple line and ios to be somewhat under it but up there. Not even sure why macos is listed when going from 2009 as I assume that means 9 and before. chrome is sorta wierd to. is that android or like netbooks? This kinda makes no sense.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    WOOOOO YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP!

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    You can take Temple OS from me when you pry the laptop from my cold, dead hands.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    Never get excited or scared about the final data point in a time series. Especially when it’s a ratio metric that will conceal it when the data begins that final data point is still only partial.

    It’s right there with never start a land war in Asia and never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    This is due to some changes made that statcounter doesn't apply to their data properly. So statcounter is very unreliable atm.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    That looks like a methedology change at the very end.

    Theres no way it dropped steadily for a decade then plummeted 20% in a month?

    Its also interesting that iOS popped up from zero. What is that? If they're asking "what is your primary computer," Android and iOS would both be there and considerably higher, so what does iOS even represent here?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Apple's M-series came out in 2020. I think that with Win11(2021) being shitty with hardware requirements made a ton of people just buy a macbook air or mac mini.

    Only people running Windows today are hostages to either work or gaming. The gamers really should just be dual booting too.

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