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[–] 55 points 2 months ago

Don't forget the expiration date.

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  • [–] 43 points 2 months ago* (16 children)

    What always bugs me about this in popular culture is that you only get to ask one guard the question, not both. So the question you would ask here would be:

    “If I asked the other guard for a credit card number, expiry date and security code that wasn’t yours, what is an answer they could give me?”

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    Wouldn't it be easier to just ask something like "is red a color?" To one guard?

    I think the original riddle also had 2 doors and the question was something like "which door would your partner say leads to freedom" iirc, which makes both point to the one that leads to death.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago

    You only get one question to one guard. So if you ask ‘is red a colour’, you find out which guard is lying, but not which door is the correct one (or either of the guards’ credit card info)

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    can you unpack the logic in that last part for me?

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    “If I asked the other guard for a credit card number, expiry date and security code that wasn’t yours, what is an answer they could give me?”

    Truth guard: the other guard lies => if asked for details that weren’t the truth guard, must lie => tells details that are truth guard’s => truth guard tells you these correct details

    Lie guard: other guard tells truth => could state any details that are not lie guard’s => lie guard must therefore tell you their credit card info

    So you get one of the guard’s info. You could change it to a specific guard’s info if you’d like.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    I guess I'm not getting it. Couldn't the "that wasn't yours" part be misconstrued to allow for anyone's info?

    The truth guard could recite someone else's credit card (which would still be a win), but the lie guard could fabricate false numbers completely

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

    You could rephrase it to

    “If I asked the other guard for an example of a credit card number, expiry date and security code that weren’t the details of the guard I am currently talking to, what is an answer they could give me?”

    if you’re worried about misinterpretation.

    If you were to ask the lying guard for ‘an example of a credit card number, expiry date and security code that weren’t the details of the other guard’, they would necessarily have to give the correct details, which the truth guard would pass on

    If you were to ask the truthful guard for ‘an example of a credit card number, expiry date and security code that weren’t the details of the other guard’, they would necessarily not be the correct details. However, the truthful guard could answer with any incorrect details, and so the complement of the set of details the truth guard could give is only the correct details, which the lying guard would therefore have to give. That’s why you ask for ‘an example’.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    If you were to ask the lying guard for ‘an example of a credit card number, expiry date and security code that weren’t the details of the other guard’, they would necessarily have to give the correct details, which the truth guard would pass on

    Couldn't they just lie and give you a non-working example?

    Or are you hinging your question on a variation of "don't tell me the other guard's credit card information", which you expect the lying card to contradict and tell you?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    You’re asking for an example of details that aren’t those of the other guard. If they give you a non-working example, then the lying guard has been truthful. Which is a contradiction.

    Consider the question ‘what is an example of something that is not a cat?’. Any answer that is not a cat is truthful; therefore the lying guard must give an example of a cat.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    That's right, we've all seen Labyrinth

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    You’d be surprised, given the replies I’ve had

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  • [–] 31 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    if one lies then the whole setup does not work because of how they both stated the rules.

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Nope. One question, multiple data points requested.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    She's asking for two different series of numbers.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    an easy cope out: "I don't know" unless he's actually memorised the number its a truth, I know I don't remember more than the last 4 on any of my cards.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    The one doing the explaining has to be truthful anyway, otherwise its just a Samurai Jack situation and they're both liars.

    In the first panel theyre both being truthful. Just sayingm

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    [–] 47 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    He always speaks the truth, so he never got approved to get a credit card.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    The right guy, presumably the liar said "the other only tell truth", then it should be a lie.

    And both said she may ask one question, which can't be true and a lie at the same time.

    So they are both occasional liars and whatever they say is no help at all.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    Saying you may ask one question can be interpreted many ways

    It could be permission, a command, or just a prediction

    The truth teller could be giving a command, the rules of the interaction. The liar could be predicting you'll ask more than one question and lying about it

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I think you got them on the first, but if the liar would answer more than one question, while the truth teller will only answer one, "she may ask one question" probably falls under a lie

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (15 children)

    If the guard that lied started with 4 or 5 it may have worked, I doubt she knows how to validate card numbers on the fly.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    This reminds me of the time my hotel rewards membership was shared to a timeshare and the guy who called me would not take no for an answer and was practically begging me to sign up. He tried to convince me he had all my information already to gain my trust by doing the “your credit card starts with number 5” trick.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    Just try to buy something on it?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    You assume the dungeon has WiFi or mobile signal.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago* (6 children)

    We are in 2026 I'm pretty sure there are vending machines and ATMs there now

    Edit: please ignore this stupid comment I just woke up and I don't know what I'm saying

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    No, no. I want to hear more about the vending machines and ATMs in dungeons.

    Are they the actual loot or do they teleport the stuff from a safer place?
    Do the ATMs hand out cash or coins?
    Can I get some instant healing for a fee when running away from monsters?
    Is the fee subject to dynamic pricing?
    Actually, how high is the margin? Is there a wizard that casually TPs to compete with a slightly lower prices?
    Are there reverse vending machines to sell the loot without coming back to town?
    Do some people just live in the dungeons, getting whatever they need from the vending machines?
    Can the monsters use the vending machines?\

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Probably some underpaid employee comes every week to refill the machines

    Whether it's coin or cash I guess it will depend on which ATM and which bank you're using

    No you can't get instant healing currently since that machine was broken and we are waiting for the IT department to send a technician

    Since the adventurers guild is a bunch of communist losers the prices are legally fixed by the government after countless strikes and demonstrations

    Every few levels there's an old wizard running a kiosk where you can get stuff cheaper

    No reverse vending machine, the government deemed it illegal under monopoly/antitrust laws as whoever gets to control the selling machines can control the entire dungeon economy, but you can some times sell to a wizards kiosk and if you found coins or money you can deposit them at an ATM

    The dungeons are still dangerous so nobody wants to live there but I would imagine some small communities or commercial centres and motels in some safe levels

    And yes anyone can use a vending machine if they can pay this is capitalism after all

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    There is a whole show on this with 3 seasons. 🤣

    Reborn as a Vending Machine, I Wander Through the Labyrinth

    Not the best but least original.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Well it has credit cards so why wouldn't it?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    It may have been set up in the decades where cc exist but WiFi wasn't commonplace.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I would be shocked if the carriers hadnt installed an active DAS just to ensure they meet regulatory coverage compliance, but at the very least the dungeon management would want to be implementing an effective wireless solution to ensure dungeon users are happy and staff can have access to operational information. They could also use it for tracking staff and monitoring dungeon utilisation.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Wait, they both say "To find the exit you may ask us one question". Shouldn't one of them always lie?

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  • Those are two questions though

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I think the original challenge was that you must choose one guard to pose your one question to. Not one question to both guards.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Silly girl, she forgot to ask for the expiration date! Rookie mistake. She'll never be able to use that card now, not unless she wants to brute force it.

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