Taken from bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/simplyaj.com/post/3mtq6av6yp226

Plus a sidenote from this person on DS games: https://bsky.app/profile/simplyaj.com/post/3mttai4jaz22j

Not sure on the technical details of exactly how long they last, but I've heard similar things several times before.

Always depressing to be reminded of this. Haven't had many fail, but honestly haven't tried a lot of my 3DS/Vita games in a while, so who knows.

If nothing else tho, it's nice to have an excuse to revisit some things. Once you boot it up, you might find yourself enjoying the reminiscing. :)

Image of a tweet on Bluesky that says "Friendly Reminder: 3DS, Vita and Switch all use a type of flash memory that needs an electrical charge every decade or so to keep the game data from corrupting.  TLDR: Boot up all your games and make a save on them to help preserve them into the future!"

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[–] 76 points 2 months ago (23 children)

Don't be too depressed, emulation is always an option 🤓

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  • [–] 48 points 2 months ago (14 children)

    Nintendo wants to:
    Know your location.

    Allow / Block? _

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (13 children)

    It's legal if you own the game.

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  • [–] 40 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Nintendo could not physically give less of a shit what is legal and not, they slap people with lawyers and then win even when they don't have a case. They don't need a case, they have money.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (5 children)

    Why does Dolphin still exist, then?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    They hunt down emulators of their current console (Switch at the moment) as they believe it hurts their bottom line. They don't give a damn about Wii or 3DS emulators

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    They don't necessarily bother with older stuff. The focus is to (unethically) mess with the stuff that is currently hurting their bottom line, which is why retro only occasionally gets shafted when they repack a 20 year old game, unadapted in an emulator, for twenty bucks. Although, rom hacks also get routinely fucked for whatever reason. That stuff can't even be making any monetary difference, so I'm assuming they just choose to be dipshits as a goal in itself.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    You and I might care about things like that but Nintendon't.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Yes, they do. Why do you think they haven't gone after Dolphin?

    The reason they were able to go after the two switch emulators is because the creators were profiting from them.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Technically Yuzu was, allegedly, using something proprietary to run properly. I think the same is true of Ryujinx, although not sure. Now I'm not sure if it's true, given they settled out of court, and honestly we do know the REAL reason is the bottom line but legally they can't use that argument. Ironically I don't think it's even illegal to profit off an emulator, lol.

    That said, emulators are legal in the same way a bong is legal while weed might not be. It's technically illegal to use roms/isos you yourself didn't rip, even if you have the cartridge or disk (and thus, license) of that game because it's not a copy of your cartridge or disk, but it'd be pretty annoying to prove you didn't rip it yourself as you'd probably need to go into the code to see if there's a unique identifier. I'm not sure if that's ever been tested in court, though I wouldn't want to try it.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    Depending on country. For instance, in Germany it's only allowed if you're not circumventing anti piracy measures.

    Im not 100% sure on the technical definition, but in general then backing up DS games would be OK but 3DS not.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Not always. Certain 3DS games require either lot of horse power and some don't play well without touch screen or a second screen. I also recommend to get another 3DS and hack it, and dump all your games as Roms to play on the hacked machine without emulation. So that way you preserved your own save files and games at least for yourself, in case they say "bye bye" to you. Otherwise, yes, emulation is your friend. :-) (Me a big emulation fan, BTW.)

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Honestly, with the fact the 3DS servers are gone, don't even bother with a second one, just hack your main one.

    There are 3rd party game servers still running, which means you can go back to playing games online, especially with a hacked 3DS.

    There are even tools to transfer files to/from your computer wirelessly, which is great for not needing to shuffle SD cards constantly.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    For not playing well without the touch screen, there's modern SBC clones like the Anbernic RG DS. Don't know how good they are but they exist.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Its super easy to jailbreak a 3DS though.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    It is. I did that last year (or was it this year actually?) on my 2DS. It is easy if you follow all steps exactly. But I wouldn't call it "super easy", at least not recommending it doing for everyone. Because it is very intimidating to someone who is not technically versed.

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  • [–] 36 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    By the way, if you find that one of your 3DS cartridges has become corrupted there's still a chance to save it. There's a homebrew application that can check for corruption and potentially fix the cartridge.

    If you haven't already installed custom firmware on your 3DS yet, then make sure you follow this guide and no other. Never follow a video guide as they are often outdated and may contain unsafe methods of hacking the system.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago

    This kinda stuff is exactly why I finally sold my four-decade collection for $20k and just play everything on emulator with filters now.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    My Smash Bros 3DS cartridge corrupted.

    Thankfully 3DSes are trivial to homebrew and games are easily acquired through alternative digital means. I was able to extract my save data and transfer it to a digital copy.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    Hope my psp games don’t get disc rot.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Also check on your batteries. If you’re better off now than when you got your 3ds (which I hope you are) it might be a good time to refresh all your similar devices’ batteries before shit gets even more expensive.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago*

    Yeah, I tried booting an emulator handheld I've been gifted a year ago and pretty much hadn't played since then, and the battery didn't hold more than a minute of charge. Moreover, while googling for replacement batteries, I came upon an article saying this and some other devices have screws positioned such that the heads pierce the battery if it ever starts swelling.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    i have a bunch of 3DS carts i've barely used in almost a decade..

    does anyone know a good way to dump all those carts and their save data so they can be used on emulators? have a 2DS XL but it isn't CFWed yet

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    3ds is so easy to hack. You'd be better off Homebrewing + hShop in the long run.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    Did not know this, thanks for the info 👍 @emb@lemmy.world

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    haha the Switch isn't 10 years old silly! it only came out a few years ago didn't it

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    This plus batteries are what has me thinking about selling my handheld collections. I have them all out so I can periodically keep them charged. I left my first switch uncharged for 6 months and the battery crapped out so I had to open it up and change it out.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    Is this also true for USB thumb drives and other flash memory media? Cuz uh... I might have to plug some shit in so it doesn't break. Nearly all my thumbdrives are over or approaching 10 years old.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago*

    Short answer: It depends. Doing full flash reads of your USB sticks and SD cards (dd if=/dev/XXX of=/dev/null bs=4k status=progress) may help for a lot of them. But not all. The only solution I can actually recommend (for any storage media) is backup them up and regularly testing/moving the backups.

    If the read of the disk is particularly slow then that indicates the flash cells are degraded. If a second read of the disk is much faster then that indicates some action may have been taken by the flash controller IC to fix this.

    Long answer:

    NAND flash cells slowly leak charge, making their state indistinguishable. A flash controller IC (usually separate to the NAND flash IC or ICs) has the job of noticing and fixing this (by rewriting the data to another or the same cell) before it gets too bad. That doesn't necessarily mean it does it particularly well.

    Some (few?) flash controllers periodically scan for weak cells and rewrite to fix them. Some (most?) flash controllers notice weak cells only when you read them. Some (many?) flash controllers are shit and don't do any of this.

    Flash controllers also have a bunch of other features and jobs, like maintaining a spare pool of cells (over-provisioning) to swap out for bad ones and even forcing the USB stick into read-only mode if they think things have gone particularly bad. Again this varies a lot depending on implem, some do it, some don't, and for different reasons (out of over-provis cells, corrupt mapping metadata, arbitrary thresholds, etc).

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    USB/Flash memory is not an archival storage medium. It is far to volatile, so as long as you are not using USB sticks as an long term archive for precious, irreplaceable documents/data, it shouldnt be a big deal to you.

    Flash memory will self-erase if left idle/unplugged for a long enough time.

    Mechanical hard drives can be archival, but you cant just load them up with data and shove them in a closet.. They need to be hooked back up and spun up every month or so, to keep lube moved around and keep platters and arms freely movable.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    I don't mean data already stored on them, I mean their ability to still have data written to them in the first place. There's really only two things I use them for: Moving print files to my 3D printer (no networking, and direct USB connection is wonky af), or to reinstall an OS. So they don't get regular use and thus don't see regular electricity running through 'em.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    thats a big i'unno. depends on the chips, the controllers, the usage of the drive, etc.

    personally, usb sticks are basically a commodity consumable (especially if you get them at the sweetheart size) and i don't consider it wasteful to replace them after 3-5 years if you are doing anything remotely important with them.

    but if you just have them for transfering files from one PC to another in your own house, where a loss won't be catastrophic, just a mild perturberance, then use it till it physically doesnt work anymore

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    I hacked my kids 2DS recently and now I just play it for fun :/

    Seriously though, keep it alive as the the DS consoles are still awesome.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    This is why I recommend backing up all games. Suck for physical switch games, since soft modding anything older than the first model of switch is impossible (for now)

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I have ONE 3ds game, but no 3ds. I bought it brand new, played it once and never played it again. Hope i can find someone with a 3ds, but it's been at least 12 years since i played it, so it's probably toast.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    It's probably too late for me, but I don't think I care about saves older than 10 years. I can't even remember what I was doing in a game a week later, let alone a decade.

    Does it permanently bork any new saves, though? I know my SNES Z:LttP had permanent save issues but I think that's a different story.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Your LttP cart, assuming you already changed the battery, could have a bad SRAM chip. You can FRAM mod the cartridge to both save it and remove the requirement for a battery at the same time.

    Also worth checking all the traces from the cart connector to the SRAM chip.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I'll keep that in mind. Quite a few of the games need a battery change but I think you're right about LttP. I emulate though so it's not as essential as it used to be, it'll be more relevant when I want to share the old ways with my kids when they're a little older.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    More work yay

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