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[โ€“] 24 points 2 months ago

Well, good to have more choice there. But only two major Android updates? Fairphone policy is eight major updates.

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  • [โ€“] 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    While it is nice to have this here, I don't think the Gigaset is in any way a good comparison to the Fairphone. If you want to have a "real" alternative, check out the Shift Phones.

    Edit: Sorry, the English version of the page seems not to be up-to-date and missing a lot of info. Please check the German version if possible for you.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    I'm confused a bit, though - there is SHIFTphone 8 for preorder while they are already selling 8.1? There is also no mention (or it is in German) of OS updates they are comiting to etc. But I like that phone company produces also an e-bike :) EDIT - which leads only to a banner, nothing else.

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  • [โ€“] 16 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Fairphone has PMOS support (6 is getting there very quickly)

    Fairphone has calyxOS support (now that calyx is resumed, they will likely support the 6)

    Does the gigaset have any of that, or just stock android with barely any updates even?

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  • [โ€“] 14 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    the most important questions about a smartphone for me are:
    -can you easily unlock the bootloader?
    -how's the custom rom situation?

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  • [โ€“] 11 points 2 months ago

    It is important to note that Gigaset is a German company, but since 2024 it is owned by V-Tech based in Hong Kong.

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 2 months ago

    I'm fairly (lol) happy with my Fairphone, but more competition and more options certainly won't hurt customers!

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 2 months ago*

    You can get it for 399 with /e/OS at https://murena.com/ !

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  • [โ€“] 12 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    Another one without a headphone jack.

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  • [โ€“] 10 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    i think we have to get used to it, 3mm jack will not come back

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 2 months ago* (8 children)

    Yeah, mainly because some people want to sell bluetooth shit that will need replacement more often.

    If at least someone could make a dongle that doesn't suck.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    The ifi Audio GO Link is pretty decent.

    FiiO KA11 might also be good. Both around 50 $.

    Edit: GO link is phased out, it's 2 now.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 2 months ago

    Apple's version is first rate and like $15. I use them to connect my computers to Class D Amps, gets me great 5/7.1

    For mobile I've had the Qudelix-5K for a couple of years, pricey, but really nice. I forgot and left LDAC 990kbps/96kHz on for months (overkill and bad for battery life), nary a stutter at really impressive ranges. Pretty much makes the audio jack issue irrelevant.

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    tbh, I switched to bluetooth after some time. My cables broke way too often. I still like it as a fallback, but thatโ€™s pretty much it.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    I have the opposite experience, lots of connection problems and batteries dying, when I decided to buy something of better quality it bricked itself after the warranty expired. Fuck Senheiser.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    But probably depends strongly on the use case. Iโ€™m talking about walking around with headphones in my ear and phone in my pocket, that exerts a lot of stress/pressure on the jack and where the cable bends. I also had the phone part break twice so far

    Or in other words: my headphones connected to my PC basically never break, but on my phone I had to replace them every few months

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 2 months ago

    I'm not sure if I ever broke a headphone cable that way but that did happened to the last usb dongle I bought. The times I broke a cable is because they got caught on door knob or something. Also the cable of the headphones I use on my PC for running over it with the chair one too many times, luckily that cable can easily replaced.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 2 months ago

    That.

    Also, I miss headphone sharing.

    And people not blasting the whole train with some loud shit they are watching instead of simply plugging in some 2 โ‚ฌ / piece headphones.

    I liked when the Sony MH-410c came with every new phone.

    If people still had phones with headphone jacks, I'd just throw cheap headphones at them and travel on the train in peace.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I can't support anything German for having the defense of genocidal colonial power as the reason of the state

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    You're probably using a device funded by a genocidal power but I don't see you throwing away your device in the garbage. You're just pointlessly grand standing lol

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Nice All-or-Nothing Fallacy. I don't see that kind of bullshit here when we are talking about boycotting the USA which I support.I am pretty my phone was not made by a country having a genocidal state who talk about killing all men, and all women, all infants and even animals as a reason of the state

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Depends what you favor in convenience vs privacy & being free to do whatever the fuck you want with hardware you supposedly bought.

    Also the common version of Android is an American OS controlled by a company that falls under the Cloud Act jurisdiction, amongst others, so not really trustworthy (even if you're American, much less European).

    Does this phone even have an easilly unlockable bootloader?!

    German device design, Taiwanese components, German assembly and controlling software layer made by an American Tech giant whose CEO has given support to Donald Trump, is sorta EU made but is not EU controlled, IMHO.

    I think that this day and age and given what we all see happen, we should be pushing for at least designed for openness in a made-in-EU a device which is supposedly always with you, loaded with personal info and highly weaved into one's life.

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    [โ€“] 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Unless it has comparable reparability it can hardly be considered an "answer to the Fairphone"

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Repairability isn't the only thing Fairphone is about, it's also about, y'know, fairness in how it sources its materials. Which is part of the reason why said phones aren't cheap.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    It's not the only thing. But you can bet that the 10/10 reparability score on ifixit is not an accident.
    It's great that other companies are sourcing their materials fairly, but if I have to toss the device after three years because the battery is dead and I can't swap it, or because the screen cracks, the speaker died or whatever, I'll take that with a grain of salt.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 2 months ago

    However, the combination of a replaceable battery, wireless charging, and a waterproof chassis is a genuine unique selling point in the mid-range segment.

    Didn't read far enough to see if the Gigaset is more repairable than that.
    I just wanted to add that Fairphone is more than just great repairability.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 2 months ago

    I've never understood sacrificing battery for thinness.

    I'm a grown ass man I can carry the weight, give me phone a heavy big ass battery. Give me a battery with a screen.

    I understand the design engineers across the industry are just in a pissing contest on who can make it thinner. But c'mon...they're just phones they don't need to weigh a 8ball. They forgot about people like me who'd prefer to charge it once every couple days.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    I made a previous comment praising it for its audio jack. Turns out I'm an idiot and misread a letter.

    It still has no audio jack. I really can't believe all these "sustainable" "no e-waste" companies are removing their audio jacks, when Samsung themselves have proven it can be done even on incredibly cheap phones and with water proofing.

    Sadly, this seems to be another Fairphone moment. Their phones look genuinely nice, but I can't justify a downgrade from my phone, which currently has an audio jack.

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I can't talk about this phone, but I have a story related to audio jacks. When I got my last phone I was bummed that there was no audio jack on it, but I decided to give USB-C adapters with an integrated DAC a chance and I was surprised how bad my previous phone with an integrated audio jack sounded in comparison. Maybe it's a good thing we lose those cheap on board DACs and are forced to get us decent ones?

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    This is my experience as well. Moving the dac away from the radios and cpu, even just a bit, really helps. And the usb dacs are usually better to begin with. The same thing applies to computers, higher end audio for computers the first recommendation is to move the audio gear outside of the case. Audio interfaces for musicians are almost never inside a desktop case either, its usb or thunderbolt these days. And when 90% of the market is using Bluetooth headphones I think not having an audio jack built in is that big of a deal in 2026.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 2 months ago

    No. I do not need good audio quality on a phone, I need convenience.

    And most of those cheap DACs already use the same chips phone motherboards used to have (and still have). Despite that, there are some phone models that have actually good DACs inside, and some companies also used to put very decent DACs on their phones (like LG or Sony).

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  • It is important to note that Gigaset is a German company, but since 2024 it is owned by V-Tech based in Hong Kong.

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  • 7 comments in c/android@lemmy.world view that post
    [โ€“] 10 points 2 months ago

    The Gigaset GS6 Pro is available starting at around โ‚ฌ380, including from Amazon Germany or directly from the manufacturer.

    This is a midrange phone despite saying "flagship" and the review criticizes its slow speed and not-so-good camera. It's nice that it has an SD slot and removable battery and wireless charging. 3.5mm audio jack is not mentioned. Review says you can use AphyOS (aphy.app) as an alternative to Google. No mention of Lineage or Graphene.

    Overall this hardware is at roughly comparable to my 2023 Moto G Stylus 5G which cost half as much. At least it's not $1000 or anything like that though, and it does have some good points. The review is informative and worth reading if you think you might want a phone like this.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    More phones with replaceable batteries, the microSD slot, and degoogled Android support is always good! Not sure if other parts are equally replaceable though, the article doesn't mention that

    I am moving to Piefed at scallisto@retrofed.com (https://retrofed.com/u/scallisto)

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 2 months ago

    Why do all phone model names suck? They're all just useless word salad.

    The eyeFone Titanium Ultra Mega Super-duper Max Pro XL 27 Hotdog and Hamburger Fold Mini Edition (with someone's name etched at 8pt font, and in their favorite color for only $6,000 more). Battery and charger not in included.

    Just use [company] Phone [release/year]. That's it. And have a decent company name, too; sitting on the keyboard and going with whatever comes out isn't good enough.

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    I'm not sure how this is a Fairphone alternative when "Fair" is the most important part of Fairphone (ethical manufacturing, and not having child/slave labor in the supply chains). This one sounds like it went in the opposite direction, by making it cheap at the cost of questionable supply chains.

    edit: they acknowledge it in their report as something they may work on in the future https://www.eqs-news.com/media/document/6de6e559-8027-4035-a697-d84378170ae3/assets/DE0005156004-JA-2022-EQ-E-01.pdf

    No one knows what the future will bring. But what we do know is that if we protect our environment, conserve resources and take our fellow human beings into consideration, the years and decades ahead will be better. [...] In order to manufacture our products, however, we still have to purchase components such as microchips and storage media from the Far East or from other regions of the world. It is not always possible to fully monitor their manufacturing processes and supply chains. Gigaset therefore strives to make the preliminary stages transparent and to optimize them further.

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  • Honestly I'm not super impressed, even though I was hoping to be, because I would love to see more variety in the space. โ‚ฌ380 is not all that much less than the just over โ‚ฌ500 which can get you a Fairphone 5. The Fairphone 5 should have support until 2031, the GX6 Pro until 2032. Fairphone has a solid legacy of providing updates, which Gigaset doesn't necessarily have - add to that, the GX6 Pro has a MediaTek chipset, and those are notoriously difficult to support, the Fairphone 5 has a Qualcomm which is much better in that regard. The review mentions regular lags - problems I don't have with my FP 5 (unless I'm just not that sensitive). Honestly, the only upside I see to the GX6 (other than the price - but again the difference isn't that big IMO, especially considering Gigaset doesn't have the focus on sustainability and ethics) is the wireless charging, which I wish Fairphone would stop being so stubborn about.

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  • It is important to note that Gigaset is a German company, but since 2024 it is owned by V-Tech based in Hong Kong.

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