2026, California bans child marriage.
Glad they got that squared away.
2026, California bans child marriage.
Glad they got that squared away.
Oklahoma closed theirs this year. They were one of four with no statutory minimum. See: Unchained at Last.
It's good that it's closed, but I wonder how much this loophole was actually used.
mentioned in the article:
An analysis of U.S. Census Bureau data by the advocacy organization Unchained At Last estimated that roughly 35,000 minors were married in California between 2000 and 2021, with the vast majority of those cases involving underage girls wed to adult men, the same report notes.
That's horrible
Article says 35k but the quote from the website they used says 315k https://www.unchainedatlast.org/united-states-child-marriage-problem-study-findings-through-2021/
Child marriage is still legal in 33 states, and I'll let you guess as to those states' political leanings.
If you guessed Republican, the party whose elected representatives boast a higher rate of sex crimes against children than the trans people they tell us to hate... congrats!
The survivor website Unchained At Last tells us:
Between 2000 and 2021, nearly 315,000 children were legally entered into marriage across the U.S. The vast majority [86%] were girls wed to adult men.
9 out of the 10 states with the highest teen pregnancy rates are also, you guessed it...
About fucking time. Fucking fundie Christians marrying children off to grown pedos.
Women are nothing but objects with slight monetary value according to them!
Women, and girls, are objects to these people. Some try to dress it up by treating a woman like a prized horse in Kentucky, maybe even chandeliers in her barn, but that’s as far as it goes.
We’re not people, and sometimes don’t get to be kids, with this subset of humanity.
It's not just fundie Christians, unfortunately. Way too many cultures do this, religious or otherwise.
I'll tell you this: hate is hate. You can flavor it any way you want. Everybody hates someone. Ukrainians hate Russians, Zionists hate Palestinians, and so on.
You can call the hate righteous or predatory. You can lynch a Black man because you're white, or you can support putting a rapist and murderer in the gas chamber because of what he did. However you justify it, hate is still hate.
But as soon as you say something as dumb as this followed by the bandwagon, you're no different from the people you're condemning. You're just as pitiful as the pedophile, just as contemptuous as the racist, and just as ignorant as the person you're calling an idiot.
So don't go thinking you're somehow high and mighty simply because you believe your hate is purer than everyone else's.
Disclaimer: I do not support sexual crimes or abuse of any kind, nor do I support MAGA, Republican extremism, or religious fundamentalism.
lol. No.
Being mad about child rape is actually not the same as child rape.
This isn’t even punishing the child rapists, and you’re still mad. It’s just taking away the legal avenue to rape children.
Ya that's not what you're mad at.
You're making an all-encompassing declarative statement insinuating that fundamentalist Christians are marrying off their children to grown pedophiles. That is a hateful generalization supported by literally no actual facts. You're doing the exact same thing as someone claiming that drag queens, as a group, are sexualizing children.
And before you put your thumbs to the screen, yes, I realize there have been isolated incidents of this happening. Crimes happen across the board, and they deserve to be investigated and punished by the law. That's not the issue here. The issue is that you're using an isolated subject to justify what is ultimately a hateful generalization about a particular group of people. That's prejudice and hateful, regardless of which group you're directing it toward.
And your link is totally irrelevant in this case. It is obvious that you did not catch on to what I was saying.
The problem is that it is ALWAYS YOU PEOPLE.
Every great aspect of western civilization had been people FLEEING religious persecution, from mostly abrahamic religions LIKE YOURS.
Whenever people want people to be equal, abrahamic religions are there to support child rape and subjugating women.
Whenever people want to advance medicine and science, abrahamic religions are there to burn whoever they deem a "heretic".
Whenever people want to be happy with who they are and marry who they want, abrahamic religions are there to get in the way of that as well.
Everything we have that is good for everyone, is in SPITE of your primitive and hateful religion.
Like mine? I'm a human secularist and antitheist. I stand opposed to all organized religion.
My God, I haven't seen a comment this full of itself and spoken this far out of someone's ass in a long time. You've made massive assumptions that I specifically disclaimed against in my original comment. I don't support Christian fundamentalism; I would actually protest against it. What I don't do is blindly hate it like you and apparently the person I was responding to.
Did you actually read what I wrote, or did you already have something you wanted to say regardless of whether it was true? You know, the exact same problem you're accusing others of having while doing it yourself.
It's not "blind hate" when I specifically listed the reasons throughout history.
Your self-righteous, and wannabe victimization is so played out that no one will tolerate this bullshit anymore.
For you to be correct, Christians would have to either be too stupid to think about what they support, or so evil that they always support oppressing people. Which is it?
I don't know if you actually understand the definitions of the words you're using. Nothing I said was self-righteous. I'm not victimizing myself, nor am I playing the victim. I haven't claimed that anyone in this situation is a victim, either. I also haven't made any claims about being right or wrong, so I'm not sure what, exactly, you're implying I need to be "correct" about in the first place.
Dude, are you actually reading what I'm saying? Did you miss the part where I explicitly said I'm an human secularist and anti-theist? I stand against organized religion.
And once again, you're making sweeping statements about Christians as a whole, as though every single Christian on the planet is somehow evil simply because they participate in an organized religion. That's an indefensible declarative statement. Can you actually prove to me that all Christians are evil? And no, you can't just point to terrible things Christianity has done throughout history and use that as evidence. Christianity as an organized religion, and what you're primarily referring to, which is more accurately Catholicism in many historical contexts, is not synonymous with every modern Christian or every Protestant denomination.
I don't blindly hate. I have very concrete reasons for opposing organized religion. Organized religion can indoctrinate children, intentionally muddy or distort the truth to serve political interests, perpetually seek more money and influence, manipulate politics to advance its own agenda, and, at its extreme, cause profound harm and even death.
But what I don't do is make idiotic, sweeping declarative statements like, "Christians are grooming their children to give them to pedophiles." That's ridiculous. Nobody is doing that as some universal Christian practice. There may have been isolated cases where something remotely resembling that happened, and those individuals should have been prosecuted for what they did. But you don't get to take isolated criminal acts and pretend they represent every Christian on the planet.
That's the distinction I'm making: I can have a strong, principled opposition to organized religion without blindly assigning the worst possible motives or behavior to every individual who happens to be religious.
All your BS and you still cosplay as an "antitheist". Lol sure.
Keep supporting pedophiles. People are sick of the lies
Lol. Yeah. It’s funny that you have to invent a position for me to argue against it because there is literally nothing in what I wrote that you can actually argue against.
You have to manufacture a justification for your hatred, which ultimately makes you no better than the very thing you claim to dislike.
You genuinely cannot fathom that I can stand opposed to the same thing you do without blindly hating it.
That’s pretty fucking pitiful.
Also, once again, I stand against any and all abuse, sexual, physical, or mental. I do not support MAGA, religious fundamentalism, or right-wing extremism.
Also also, it is beyond amusing that I can explicitly say I don't support these things, and yet you keep insisting that I do. That's literally the only way you seem capable of having a conversation with me. You have a very specific thing you want to say, and apparently nothing I actually say matters because you'll just keep attributing that position to me anyway.
You have to be stupid.
Once again, I don't "blindly" hate it when I listed several examples. You chose to get offended and attack instead of arguing ANY of those points.
I hate religious people. But I hate religious people who act like they are against religion while PROTECTING IT.
It has an unchecked pedophile problem. If any other industry had this systemic problem of child abuse and covering it up, we would dismantle the whole organization and be done with it. But, because of evil people like you, that lie, we are held back from any progression and constantly backsliding with the primitive and STUPID beliefs in MAGIC.
If NASCAR had a pedophile problem, it wouldn't exist, if the NFL had a pedophile problem, it wouldn't exist, but throw in some magic and here comes the "anti-theist" defender of religion.
GTFO
You're still doing it. You're still making up a position for me that I have never taken, because you literally cannot argue against what I'm actually saying. You have to construct a position that is easier for you to attack. You have to make me religious because that's what you're accustomed to arguing against.
But I am not religious. I have expressly denounced organized religion, including the unchecked pedophilia, indoctrination, and child abuse that you are pointing out. I fully acknowledge every one of those problems, and I agree with you about them. If I had the ability to dismantle Christianity entirely, I would personally do so. In fact, I am actively trying to undermine those institutions and ideas right now.
I am not religious. I am not a Christian. I oppose any and all abuse, organized religion, religious fundamentalism, and right-wing extremism.
So, do you acknowledge that this is actually my position?
Okay okay, message received. I’ll just stick to being upset at fundamentalist Christians for indoctrinating children, inhibiting their ability to develop critical thinking skills, sowing hatred and fear, and for holding disproportionate power in politics that drags back science and cultural progress for everyone.
My point is that you can't use the same kind of hate to prop up your own narrative while condemning someone else's. Saying that fundamentalist Christians are giving their children in marriage to pedophiles is an untrue, sweeping statement.
And that's not even what he was saying. You're making up a position for him to support your own argument, much like the people you apparently criticize for doing the exact same thing you're doing right now.
I’m not the OP, I’m not the one talking about child-marriage. Thus why I’m basing my distaste for fundies on the things I said above.
This is lemmy and you're voice of reason. Expect to be down voted into oblivion for thought crime
O for sure. But sometimes people need push back. One day someone will read this and see that not everyone will accept things like this at face value. So I know I'll be downvoted to hell.
But as they say in the business there's no such thing as bad publicity.
allowing a child of any age to be legally wed as long as a parent or guardian signs off.
Then it goes before a judge who has to agree to it. I don't know about y'all's courthouse's, but the judges in the county I grew up in were having none of that shit every time I found out about teenagers trying to get married
It wouldn't be surprising to me if California or NYC ends up being the new capitals of a refreshed America. They still have sane leaders who aren't bankrupt in all the ways.
Well, I guess that means my next vacation spot changes to Mississippi (females can marry at 15 with no age gap limits) or Oklahoma (children of any age can be married with a court order).
... to go to next and protest so they do the same thing. Change their laws.
Siri, look up the average cost to bribe a judge to let you marry a kid in Oklaho oh no is voice to text is still on fuc
Is Newsom going to veto this one, too?
I would strongly disagree. All mainstream religions condemn pedophilia. In fact, Christianity in particular was instrumental in the shift of social attitudes against child marriage: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_purity_movement (along with other things such as contraception, pornography, and prostitution, among a broader movement that opposed alcohol and slavery). It would be fair to point out that one might not give it too much credit as everybody was Christian at the time.
there's no way of knowing how many people where "believers", or just went along out of fear.
That is the point of my last sentence. I definitely agree that Christianity has a highly imperialist legacy, but in areas ravished by capitalism instead of colonists, it provides some moral code against endless exploits. Should people be able to find morals and mutual aid without this crutch? Yes, but this provides quite some existing organization against chaos. Karl Marx has a few words on this as well. I agree it’s no good where it does not belong but this article is about California.
It’s additionally imperialistic to let imperialists generalize to our own religions. I believe I should have the right to make Zongzi and maybe fly a kite with my children on Duanwu.
They’re scrambling to close a loophole that allows outrageous financial aide and scholarships for parents who wed their children before college.
Honestly I'm surprised West Virginia isn't on that list
WHAT THE FUCK yet you point fingers at countries like Iran for similar shit.
Not everyone supports a zero-exception approach. ACLU California Action has emerged as the primary organization opposing AB 1267, arguing in committee filings that an absolute prohibition unduly infringes on fundamental marriage rights and risks driving minors in difficult domestic situations further underground, KFI AM 640 reported. The group has historically resisted total bans on the grounds that they could disempower mature minors or pregnant teenagers navigating already complicated circumstances.
what‽
that's the American Civil Liberties Union! it's the biggest progressive advocacy group!
yes, the article says the bill was amended to make "any minor marriage performed on or after January 1, 2027, [] legally prohibited but voidable at the option of the person who married as a minor, rather than automatically void" to address those concerns, but:
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