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[–] 99 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

Such a badly written title.

I read that thinking, yeah it sounds dystopian but who has coins, and found out:

  1. Most of them aren't coin operated.
  2. It sounds like they're getting less common.

Should have called it "the rise and fall of pay-to-use elevators".

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  • [–] 43 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief.

    L.P.D.: Libertarian Police Department

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    when i watched ds6 all the way through for the first time, there was an episode on the ferengi homeworld that immediately reminded me of this story because quark has to put a quarter in a chair to sit on it.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago (14 children)

    Coin-operated elevators sounds like a libertarian paradise!

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Coin-operated elevators sounds like a libertarian paradise!

    Coin-operated elevators are a libertarian hellscape!

    A single paid fare on the elevator will take the passenger to any floor. While their are fixed costs on the elevator car and the initial installation, the rest of the costs incurred on elevator operation are variable based upon how many floors the elevator traverses before dispensing its passenger. The same coin that takes a passenger to the very top floor of a 25 story building will also only take a passenger one floor up. Where are the variable fare rates so that each passenger only pays for what they are consuming, and nothing more?!

    Because much higher costs are incurred from the top floor passenger than the one-floor-up passenger, it means the one-floor-up passenger is subsidizing the top floor passenger. The top floor passenger is a parasite sucking value out of the system without returning an equal profit margin as the one-floor-up passenger. What we've got here is socialism!

    /s

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Wait till you try the credit card machines on the toilets.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Really? Because if it's installed by the apartment owners association, it's just another way to collect money for repairs instead of a monthly fee

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    *in addition to a monthly fee

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    Yes, you obviously still have a monthly fee for the maintenance fund of the roof, walls, plumbing, everything that every apartment uses. But since not everyone uses the elevator, is it truly fair that everyone has to pay for that?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    No. You will just pay the fee that you paid before. Plus the elevator fee

    And yes, it is fair. It's part of being in a social community

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago

    No. You will just pay the fee that you paid before. Plus the elevator fee

    Then that means that when there's an emergency, there's a bigger fund available. Still a good thing considering how hard it is to get people to increase maintenance fees in some apartment buildings. They'll let the place fall apart before considering an increase.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Yes. You might not need it today, but you might tomorrow.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago

    Then you pay tomorrow?

    Obviously the people in those buildings voted for this system, otherwise it wouldn't have been done. I suspect it means that maybe 10-20% of people were lazy and used the elevator and everyone else was tired of paying for it.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Lots of Americans have watched the Wallace and Gromit shows and movies.

    Probably, fewer of them understand that the robotic moon-dwelling antagonist in A Grand Day Out was a coin-operated heating and cooking appliance, modeled after the sort that actually existed and operated in post-War Britain.

    I'm not in favor of coin-op elevators. But there are precedents. The ownership class will nickel-and-dime you to death if they think they can. They view the rest of us as a resource to be strip-mined.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Not exactly a one for one comparison. What you're describing is just a gas meter. I've lived in houses that had them. It's a way of paying your gas bill on a pay-as-you-go basis instead of monthly. Annoying, but not exactly a great example of the kind of rent seeking you're pointing at, since it's just a method of paying for a thing that everyone would expect to pay for (under any form of capitalism, at any rate).

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    A useful side effect: people started walking more.

    The reason that a lot of European cities are about four or five stories is because prior to the elevator, that's about how high people were willing to climb.

    If you live on the tenth floor of a building, say, an elevator is really more than an optional luxury.

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  • [+] 14 points 2 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago

    Coins are becoming less common

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago

    No. They are not.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Well I've heard of a Coin operated boy but not an elevator.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Next up: Slide your card to use the shitter.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    There is a bin store in my town and it pulls in about 400 or more customers a day. At least on $12 and $1 days. With so many people wanting to use his toilet and his water tax increasing, the owner installed a pay toilet. Of course people were taping over the lock so he stationed a security guy by the door. Now customers are going out behind his building to do their business and you can smell it as you drive up. Who carries change? I don't even shop at stores that require me to insert a quarter for a cart. Anyway, a rounded backward key works. My sister now carries spare keys with her and I told her she could just as easily carry quarters but it is the principle. I just don't shop there, on principle. I also don't shop at membership clubs. If BJ's, Sams or Costco wants my money, they have to pay me to come in. Otherwise, it is bin stores and farmers markets for me.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    I would be happy to take the stairs, so long as that thing was smashed off the wall.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I like people in gym clothes who get off on the 2nd or third floor.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Thank god for the Americans with Disabilities Act cause they'd already be doing it in the US if they could.

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  • [+] -34 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

    It was like this in the 70s in my building

    TBH I would prefer if it was still like this, because now that is free and everyone is using it, I'm paying €200/year for electric and maintenance for an elevator that I take once a month (split bill between all apartments)

    Edit: I take it once a month because I live at the second floor and it's faster to take the stairs, not because I'm renting to someone else

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  • [–] 29 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Yeah, let's charge people for every little bit of the building you in particular don't use. Fuck it, coin operated fire suppression systems because Wispy2891 doesn't want to pay for the maintenance in a building he or she lives in.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    So wait, do you also have to pay for building repairs, maintenance, every time roof or pipes need to be replaced, etc.? Where I live, people just pay rent and landlords use that money to maintain the building instead of charging for things like bulbs in stairway or an elevator in building seperately

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    I don't know Wispys situation in particular, but in a lot of condos (apartments that people own), on top of a mortgage there is often a maintenance fee that goes directly to a special account for building repairs or maintenance. Then for emergencies there might be additional "special assessments" to cover unexpected expenses. If those are not paid they can exert pressure through a lien on the property or other means. Most often owners will be able to see exactly what the maintenance fee covers. This helps keep the process transparent. So you know $20 of each fee goes to monthly landscaping or whatever so you can do the math to make sure there's no fraud. If there's 100 units and you're each spending $3000 a month to have someone take care of a small garden bed then you know someone is doing something fishy. So I imagine they received a breakdown of their fees that included how much it cost to keep the elevator running.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    Well at the fifth floor there's an asshole that's renting the whole floor on Airbnb and I'm contributing to that, with all the up and down traffic of tourists. Would you be happy? Before the Airbnb I spent way less than that

    The coin was just a token, 100 lire (0.05€ + 50 years of inflation, let's say 50 cents). It doesn't cover maintenance but it avoids assholes repurposing a residential apartment as hotels. And it had a key to bypass it (example: wheelchairs and such)

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Add it to their rent if they’re subletting, don’t penalize your other tenants

    This is why landlords should be abolished, this mindset

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Usually the maintenance fee is added to everyone, based on the square meters of the apartment, or just flat fee per apartment. It likely would be illegal to specifically make one apartment's fees significantly higher and also that apartment's owner would never vote for it. Especially if that person owns an entire floor worth of apartments, as they get multiple votes.

    What was described was quite literally the best way to punish the super heavy top floor AirBNB users over the people who actually live there. And those people who don't use the elevator don't have to pay at all, instead of subsidizing all the AirBnB users on the 5th floor. But since the coin system isn't in use anymore, Wispy has to pay 200€ a year for other people to take the elevator.

    At the end of the day, stuff like this is voted for by the apartment owners and it's up to them how they distribute the costs, by usage or same for everyone.

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