For at least the last 45 years, Republicans have cast every Democrat politician as a Socialist or extreme leftist. No matter how left, center, or middle they are, Republicans always say they're far left. So why the hell would you move to the right just because you're afraid they're going to call you names? Everyone knows that no matter how far to the right you move, they're still going to scream that you're the most extreme liberal who has ever run for office?
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The truth is, the neoliberals have an uphill battle against populist conservative Republicans. Socialists might have an advantage.
I should probably expand on this. Neoliberals have a hard time driving voter turnout because it’s the same people who vote for them who also decided that maybe something more conservative would be better, as the neoliberal agenda has spent 30 years not living up to its promises.
But progressive socialist liberalism is ALSO about change, and is driven by people who are passionate about placing that change in the hands of regular people.
So it can absorb some of the people who voted for Republicans because they weren’t neoliberal, and also rouse the large body of non voters to actually get out and vote. That’s a much larger voting bloc than the neoliberals have available; it’s just a much poorer one.
Conservative populists and neoliberals like to trot out “left” vs “right” to make it seem like politics is on a single line and you can trend more one way or the other. But in reality, often voting for change means voting for the change that seems most achievable, and there’s no left vs right about that.
Fried has such a chance to be cool about this, actually prove the dem party is a big tent, and put the country and party ahead of their personal politics. Nixon won over vindman signficantly, it wasnt neck and neck, the people that make up the party want a dsa aligned person more than a trump-focused centrist - the democratic party is what if not a democracy that at least reflects the will of its own members?
You'd think if these party officials were so concerned about progressive candidates having a hard time with certain electorates or just in general, they, as loyal Democratic Party functionaries, would be sending extra resources and working double time to promote the candidate. If bland genocide-tolerant moderates are better for general elections then you can focus money and support on helping shore up the DSA candidates they think will have a harder time.
Oddly that hasn't generally been the response.
Maybe she should drop the DSA talks and bring Dick Cheney on the campaign trailer. Or, I don't know, give "policies that benefit people" a chance.
“Won’t anybody think of the rich people?”
- Politician about to lose his job, 2026.
Democratic Socialist need to act as their own party. The Democratic National Convention (DNC) does not represent our interest.
I thought this too, but they can't act as spoilers. Democratic Socialists need to beat Centrists in the primaries. Otherwise you throw more elections to the conservatives.
After decades of sliding right, We finally have a chance to shift that Overton window slightly to the left and people are second guessing it?
I’m so jaded and suspicious now that I see stupid ideas like this as fake lefty conservative infiltrators or agitprop bots attempting to psyop people who experience empathy by spreading self-sabotaging propaganda.
The risk is obviously too high to fracture our base now of all times. This reads as obvious agitation and concern trolling.
This is true, although I fantasize about a party that does nothing but illegalize Israel's lobby, prosecute foreign agents, and prosecute pedophiles in the Epstein class. If we could just have that, things would improve immediately. Can you imagine Israel not taking all our money.
Yes split the vote on everyone who experiences empathy.
Just what sane Americans needs right now! Less voting power! Brilliant!
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No, that's the way to eliminate the power of both, and give MAGA full power to destroy democracy. The DemSocs need to take over the Democratic Party, the way the Tea Party/ MAGA took over the Republican party.
From Nikki Fried's Wikipedia page
After graduating, Fried worked at the law firm of Holland & Knight in Jacksonville, alongside Ashley Moody, a friend of Fried from the University of Florida who would later serve alongside her as the Florida Attorney General.
TBH, I thought we were past the point of caring about fucking snake emojis, controversial opinions on history, or whatever woke bullshit someone said in 2014.
People can't fucking eat, pay rent, cool their homes, or afford education in this country. Every DSA candidate needs to watch how Zohran responded to these stupid culture war questions and take notes. Affordability is how the DSA's win, not by indulging centrist bullshit or the mainstream media's baiting about old, stupid woke opinions.
If they ask her about Castro, her response should be: "I'm not concerned with history. I'm concerned with the fact that Republicans have made it impossible to live with a full-time job in Florida." Hong would have won if, instead of talking about her stupid Thanksgiving tweet or her half-white son, she'd have simply said: "My concern with my son is the fact that Republicans have made it so hard to afford groceries every week, and they want to spend our tax dollars on unwanted data centers. I'd like for people to be able to afford a Thanksgiving dinner to begin with."
Full stop. Every goddamn time. Stay on message about affordability.
If she doesn't disavow the DSA then how will she get the like 3 centrists left in the entire state of FL who haven't decided yet if they want to vote R or D?
From Nikki Fried's Wikipedia page
After graduating, Fried worked at the law firm of Holland & Knight in Jacksonville, alongside Ashley Moody, a friend of Fried from the University of Florida who would later serve alongside her as the Florida Attorney General.
One of the Florida Democratic Party sources said that the organization did not favor Vindman over Nixon and was neutral in the primary.
Is anyone actually stupid enough to believe this lie ever again?
But since winning, she(Nixon) moved fast to distance herself from several DSA positions, saying she doesn't back abolishing all prisons — just for-profit ones, she doesn't support "defunding" police or having so-called "open borders," and she disagreed with the national DSA's controversial commemoration of Fidel Castro.
Nixon's distancing seems very rational to me. I think don't this movement needs to have a mandate to magically get rid of all prisons and cops. Seriously, when's that going to happen? Not any time soon. Praise Castro? That guy that created a utopia in Cuba lol? That'll be so fucking popular lol. Seems like dipshits(or childishly naive people) or Republican saboteurs are running this party(which I've heard of for the first time today).
I really hope people don't support this party and make them the stupid face of Democratic Socialism.
edit: fucking downvoted. lol, good luck guys. i'm sure things will go as you want, what ever the fuck that is
To me, it's stupid.
She shouldn't even be answering questions about prisons or Castro. She should be answering any culture war question the way Zohran did, because every DSA candidate is going to have whatever dumb shit they said in 2014 dragged up and examined, as the billionaires who own the media outlets don't want anyone talking about affordability.
DSA's have the playbook. They just need to run the play. Republicans have made it laughably easy to win in November.
Have my upvote though, for at least giving a genuine opinion. You and I at least agree that a candidate letting themselves be forced into discussing culture war nonsense is stupid.
I hope I agree with you. You actually responded without immediately downvoting and I respect that.
I guess I've always had my own interpretation of what a social democrat is. Means of productions and all that shit is just an old, failed philosophy. I want the best of both worlds. Private companies can compete but we actually have strong government regulations to keep all the pieces of shit under control...with military backing. Like, if you're corrupt, you're considered a traitor. I know how much would need to be fleshed out but I'm just giving the general idea of what I think.
The only other thing besides the obvious stuff is that the obvious utilities are government controlled. Energy, internet, insurance, healthcare, housing, etc..
But if we go with standard textbook socialism that a dumbass failure like Castro implemented, this movement WILL fail whether or not if the DNC establishment candidates and Repubs made it easy or not.
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