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[–] 49 points 2 months ago (9 children)

For at least the last 45 years, Republicans have cast every Democrat politician as a Socialist or extreme leftist. No matter how left, center, or middle they are, Republicans always say they're far left. So why the hell would you move to the right just because you're afraid they're going to call you names? Everyone knows that no matter how far to the right you move, they're still going to scream that you're the most extreme liberal who has ever run for office?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (8 children)

    It’s the same thing that happened with the GOP. Moderate neoconservatives got pulled into the fascist/tea party/MAGA movement and lumped together by the liberal establishment. Now they’re stuck there because they’d rather vote within party lines than vote for a lib.

    Now libs are getting thrown in the same boat as DSA, including the Marxists and anarchists. The DNC wants to stay relevant, they see leftists are winning and do not want to piss off what’s left of their liberal voting base by siding with the GOP against the DSA, who are proposing very sensible progressive reforms.

    The right had painted a target on anyone left of center since the 90s and the rise of alt-right talk radio (Rush Limbaugh). Then they went completely off the deep end when Obama was elected and the brief period of time Dems had control of congress (and ultimately failed because they serve the same special interests).

    The two-party ticket is the problem, yet that’s the way it is until DSA-backed candidates gain enough traction in government to finally enact the great split.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    I think republicans being shameless liars is the problem… but you know… think what you want I guess.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago* (6 children)

    I would level that same accusation against the liberal establishment. All talk, no follow through. No fight, no action, and it’s all by design. They serve the same corporate donors, bow to AIPAC just like the GOP. They just like to monopolize politeness through political correctness, in order to exploit marginalized groups for votes. All while engaging in insider trading.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    One side wants to do a genocide on trans people and immigrants.

    Equivocating sides is fascist apologia. Get out of here with your both sides bullshit. No one is falling for it.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

    No, liberals want to say they’ll help marginalized groups while continuing to support the capitalist institutions that feed their oppression.

    I haven’t seen much a fight out of the Dems lately as trans and other groups are losing their rights. Not to mention their totally incoherent and weak election platform in 2024.

    People are waking up and starting to see how useless they are. The wave of actual leftists are coming, and the Carvills, Pelosis, Schumers, Manchins and Fettermans need to get out of the way. Not fighting against the GOP and refusing to primary actual leftists makes them complicit, and therefore, just as fascist.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    Ok sure, they don’t fight the fascists hard enough. I agree.

    One side still IS the fascists though.

    Sometimes details matter, and sometimes they don’t. There were a lot of homophobes who defeated the Nazis.

    Should allies of gay people have rejected their help in world war 2?

    “Sorry. I know the Nazis are genociding gay people, but I won’t be seen fighting alongside a homophobe like you, Paul.”

    Google pragmatism.

    Use it.

    (John Fetterman hasn’t been a Democrat since his brain injury. Absolutely get him out of there. I agree with you on him)

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    Did pragmatism and compromise work when Obama was president and Dems had control of congress, only managing to bang out a watered-down capitalist healthcare bill, and refused to completely steamroll the opposition, like the GOP are doing now? Or how they stole the primary from Bernie, who would’ve won against Trump?

    I’m welcome to taking allies as well, but the potential allies im seeing seem to not want to get with program. And in many instances, they’re fighting us. No more compromising with a neoliberal agenda. Leftism and progressivism is getting far more popular now.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    Judging from your lack of emotional response and your failure to address any of my points, I’m going to assume you’re either a bot or a troll.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Why are looking for an emotional response when I’m offering factual observations? I’m actually emotionally detached from this. It’s all playing towards the collapse of the empire, historical forces are at work and it’s inevitable. What liberals might have done pre-Reagan and pre-McCarthy is irrelevant to the present. Capitalism ultimately won with Reagan, exacerbated by Clinton, and now the entire system is decaying because of it. The democrats are encouraging this decay along with the GOP.

    And this is why I’ve radicalized even further. It’s the gaslighting from mainstream democrats. I already know the GOP are corrupt, fascist and unapologetically capitalist. I’m more interested in why liberals aren’t seeing the contradictions in their own ranks.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    The truth is, the neoliberals have an uphill battle against populist conservative Republicans. Socialists might have an advantage.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I should probably expand on this. Neoliberals have a hard time driving voter turnout because it’s the same people who vote for them who also decided that maybe something more conservative would be better, as the neoliberal agenda has spent 30 years not living up to its promises.

    But progressive socialist liberalism is ALSO about change, and is driven by people who are passionate about placing that change in the hands of regular people.

    So it can absorb some of the people who voted for Republicans because they weren’t neoliberal, and also rouse the large body of non voters to actually get out and vote. That’s a much larger voting bloc than the neoliberals have available; it’s just a much poorer one.

    Conservative populists and neoliberals like to trot out “left” vs “right” to make it seem like politics is on a single line and you can trend more one way or the other. But in reality, often voting for change means voting for the change that seems most achievable, and there’s no left vs right about that.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago

    These moderates need to fuck off already

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago

    Fried has such a chance to be cool about this, actually prove the dem party is a big tent, and put the country and party ahead of their personal politics. Nixon won over vindman signficantly, it wasnt neck and neck, the people that make up the party want a dsa aligned person more than a trump-focused centrist - the democratic party is what if not a democracy that at least reflects the will of its own members?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    You'd think if these party officials were so concerned about progressive candidates having a hard time with certain electorates or just in general, they, as loyal Democratic Party functionaries, would be sending extra resources and working double time to promote the candidate. If bland genocide-tolerant moderates are better for general elections then you can focus money and support on helping shore up the DSA candidates they think will have a harder time.

    Oddly that hasn't generally been the response.

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  • [+] 9 points 2 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Maybe she should drop the DSA talks and bring Dick Cheney on the campaign trailer. Or, I don't know, give "policies that benefit people" a chance.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    “Won’t anybody think of the rich people?”

    - Politician about to lose his job, 2026.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Democratic Socialist need to act as their own party. The Democratic National Convention (DNC) does not represent our interest.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    After decades of sliding right, We finally have a chance to shift that Overton window slightly to the left and people are second guessing it?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    I’m so jaded and suspicious now that I see stupid ideas like this as fake lefty conservative infiltrators or agitprop bots attempting to psyop people who experience empathy by spreading self-sabotaging propaganda.

    The risk is obviously too high to fracture our base now of all times. This reads as obvious agitation and concern trolling.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    This is true, although I fantasize about a party that does nothing but illegalize Israel's lobby, prosecute foreign agents, and prosecute pedophiles in the Epstein class. If we could just have that, things would improve immediately. Can you imagine Israel not taking all our money.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    No, that's the way to eliminate the power of both, and give MAGA full power to destroy democracy. The DemSocs need to take over the Democratic Party, the way the Tea Party/ MAGA took over the Republican party.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    From Nikki Fried's Wikipedia page

    After graduating, Fried worked at the law firm of Holland & Knight in Jacksonville, alongside Ashley Moody, a friend of Fried from the University of Florida who would later serve alongside her as the Florida Attorney General.

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    [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    TBH, I thought we were past the point of caring about fucking snake emojis, controversial opinions on history, or whatever woke bullshit someone said in 2014.

    People can't fucking eat, pay rent, cool their homes, or afford education in this country. Every DSA candidate needs to watch how Zohran responded to these stupid culture war questions and take notes. Affordability is how the DSA's win, not by indulging centrist bullshit or the mainstream media's baiting about old, stupid woke opinions.

    If they ask her about Castro, her response should be: "I'm not concerned with history. I'm concerned with the fact that Republicans have made it impossible to live with a full-time job in Florida." Hong would have won if, instead of talking about her stupid Thanksgiving tweet or her half-white son, she'd have simply said: "My concern with my son is the fact that Republicans have made it so hard to afford groceries every week, and they want to spend our tax dollars on unwanted data centers. I'd like for people to be able to afford a Thanksgiving dinner to begin with."

    Full stop. Every goddamn time. Stay on message about affordability.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago*

    If she doesn't disavow the DSA then how will she get the like 3 centrists left in the entire state of FL who haven't decided yet if they want to vote R or D?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    From Nikki Fried's Wikipedia page

    After graduating, Fried worked at the law firm of Holland & Knight in Jacksonville, alongside Ashley Moody, a friend of Fried from the University of Florida who would later serve alongside her as the Florida Attorney General.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    One of the Florida Democratic Party sources said that the organization did not favor Vindman over Nixon and was neutral in the primary.

    Is anyone actually stupid enough to believe this lie ever again?

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  • [–] -4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    But since winning, she(Nixon) moved fast to distance herself from several DSA positions, saying she doesn't back abolishing all prisons — just for-profit ones, she doesn't support "defunding" police or having so-called "open borders," and she disagreed with the national DSA's controversial commemoration of Fidel Castro.

    Nixon's distancing seems very rational to me. I think don't this movement needs to have a mandate to magically get rid of all prisons and cops. Seriously, when's that going to happen? Not any time soon. Praise Castro? That guy that created a utopia in Cuba lol? That'll be so fucking popular lol. Seems like dipshits(or childishly naive people) or Republican saboteurs are running this party(which I've heard of for the first time today).

    I really hope people don't support this party and make them the stupid face of Democratic Socialism.

    edit: fucking downvoted. lol, good luck guys. i'm sure things will go as you want, what ever the fuck that is

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    To me, it's stupid.

    She shouldn't even be answering questions about prisons or Castro. She should be answering any culture war question the way Zohran did, because every DSA candidate is going to have whatever dumb shit they said in 2014 dragged up and examined, as the billionaires who own the media outlets don't want anyone talking about affordability.

    DSA's have the playbook. They just need to run the play. Republicans have made it laughably easy to win in November.

    Have my upvote though, for at least giving a genuine opinion. You and I at least agree that a candidate letting themselves be forced into discussing culture war nonsense is stupid.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    I hope I agree with you. You actually responded without immediately downvoting and I respect that.

    I guess I've always had my own interpretation of what a social democrat is. Means of productions and all that shit is just an old, failed philosophy. I want the best of both worlds. Private companies can compete but we actually have strong government regulations to keep all the pieces of shit under control...with military backing. Like, if you're corrupt, you're considered a traitor. I know how much would need to be fleshed out but I'm just giving the general idea of what I think.

    The only other thing besides the obvious stuff is that the obvious utilities are government controlled. Energy, internet, insurance, healthcare, housing, etc..

    But if we go with standard textbook socialism that a dumbass failure like Castro implemented, this movement WILL fail whether or not if the DNC establishment candidates and Repubs made it easy or not.

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