Linux 7.2 has landed, dragging x86 timing clean out of the nineties by making the Time Stamp Counter mandatory.

I wrote up a quick article on why ditching those ancient legacy fallbacks is good housekeeping, plus a few other bits like cache-aware scheduling and memory tweaks worth noting.

Is anyone still using legacy hardware? If so, what do you use it for?

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[–] 33 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I kinda miss the idea that the kernel would run on literally any hardware it ever did support, but I totally get it, especially now that there's an emphasis on reducing attack surfaces.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I have some xeons in an old server running that I can't update to the next version of Rocky because the kernel won't support them :(

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    I use a Compaq CQ510-SD for writing. Lovely small keyboard, only has a resolution of 1024x600, but with some zoom configured in autostart that increases to twice that. It works as little more than a glorified text processor, but it suits my needs just fine while I can't find its equal in the x64 or ARM market.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    But why does it need updates if it works? Just don't connect it to the Internet and you can run it until either it dies or you die.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    I would recommend looking into the BSD's, they have stronger support for older and unusual architectures. Something like nomadBSD, uses xfce on freeBSD

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    The problem is not software but hardware. The Compaq CQ510-SD is a nice compact design with round edges and small enough to fit in most any bag. Finding the same in a x64 system seems impossible. Hard edges, larger screens, flimsy chassis, or unuseable keyboards.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    Well if you still like your hardware, and want continued, updated, software support, one of the BSD's still likely to get you there for a bit longer. NetBSD likely being the one that drops it last.

    But at some point, as long as you able to do your work and copy data back and forth, does it matter. Even just running winXP or 7 will get you along for sometime.

    FreeDOS will always support x86, lol.

    At least you not running something with an old big edian PowerPC machine. Support for those suck!

    Does the machine a a socketed CPU, it appeared it runs the Core2 CPUs, if you get a core2duo, those support 64bit. I have a ThinkPad x60 with a 32bit Core2 CPU. It's odd that there was 32bit only version of that class of CPU. I haven't bothered to try upgrade it though.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (30 children)

    Lots of retro enthusiasts still use legacy hardware for all sorts of reasons... I fear that a fork of the kernel will be necessary in the near future to keep these machines running.

    The notion of using Linux to revive old hardware and keep it out of the landfill may not last forever...

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago* (7 children)

    And why do they need to use the latest Linux kernel for that hardware, again?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (6 children)

    Security updates if you use it online or copy new binaries to run on it. Even if you're not worried about hackers, there can still be viruses and malware that destroy your data.

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  • [+] 6 points 2 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (18 children)

    Just use NetBSD and never look back :)The notion of using Linux to revive old hardware and keep it out of the landfill may not last forever…Linux supports less old hardware than its competitors.

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  • [+] 4 points 2 months ago (13 children)
  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (3 children)

    But NetBSD and FreeBSD can run Linux software as well?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (8 children)

    You can (compile and) run almost all Linux software on the BSDs.

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  • [+] 1 point 2 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (6 children)

    FreeBSD's jails are pretty interesting though, so is NetBSD's rump kernel. But my point was (especially older) hardware support, not software support. If all you care about is the sheer number of available applications, Windows is there for you. 😉Your post that it was "not even close" is misleading at best and utterly wrong in total.

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  • [+] 1 point 2 months ago (5 children)
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    NetBSD is a novelty OS at bestSo is Linux, compared to macOS and Windows. You still use it, as it seems to be just enough for your own needs.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Virtually every SaaS platform runs on Linux.Mine don't.70% of cellphones run on Linux.Source?Even compared to FreeBSD, NetBSD is more of a niche OS for hobbyists.Compared to Windows, Linux is more of a niche OS for hobbyists. (My everyday device is a desktop, not a router.) Your point is what exactly? Operating systems need a certain market share to be good? Lol. Seriously, just lol.Enjoy your ~3% niche OS.

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    Sorry, me and most people haven’t ever heard of your SaaS platform.Ok. Enjoy being where most people are (Microsoft 365?).Then by any means, use Windows.I will do that. Because I don't care about what people use. I want my software to make my life easier. If there are only three people alive who use a good software, I still wouldn't want to use worse software.What I said is that NetBSD is a niche OS for hobbyists, and that if I wanted to run Linux software, instead of relying on emulation, I would rather just use Linux.Name one Linux software that actually "Linux software" in opposite to "Unix-like software" and/or "cross-platform software".Did I hit a nerve here?My laughing nerve is, indeed, somewhat sore now.You and the other five people running it on a desktop computer must be having a lot of fun I suppose.So your point is that you prefer mainstream software over good software? Are you sure that don't use Windows?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    I don't know why you're getting downvoted?

    NetBSD

    OpenBSD

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    [+] -14 points 2 months ago (14 children)

    "Finally! Linux supports even less hardware that will be supported by BSD for years to come! Hooray!"Because yay, planned obsolescence.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (6 children)

    For hardware over 20 years old? I don't think the manufacturers planned on it lasting this long lmao

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    There's probably a fortunate 500 company running some load bearing server from 20 years ago, that ends up back in production, everytime they fail to migrate the critical service away from it.

    There must have been demand to keep x86 32bit alive this long.

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