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he expects WSL to overtake native Ubuntu installations within months
Yeah, because no one is installing Ubuntu anymore.
Does the contributor of Canonical mentioned consider the fair difference between the absence of any telemetry on actual Linux desktop people just opt-out initially, and the forced/hidden telemetry on Windows?
How is that even possible to compare these numbers and state anything aloud like this, if we have literally no idea how many genuine Ubuntu setups are there with absolutely no Microsoft involved?
Sorry, but I believe the blog post author's statements regarding "statistics" are not fair, inaccurate, and simply invalid.
The "AI" part is a literal nonsense, bigotry, and just awful, too.
The author should rather check the following stance, and reconsider his history and life decisions, I believe:
AI drive-by issues, pull requests and security reports are overwhelming maintainers. Rising security expectations (thanks Mythos) require maintainers to do even more work. Open source funding is hard to secure and insufficient.
Some of this is happening, but I’m sure as hell not seeing it in Homebrew...
As I’ve written before, the scarcest resource in open source is not money but the motivation of the maintainers.
# Fun Is Social
My first real experience of OSS was with a successful, established project whose culture I could observe. It was KDE, the community behind a desktop environment for Linux...
Firstly, this was weird because, if you read the discourse online, you were typically in the camp of “KDE SUCKS, GNOME ROCKS” or “GNOME SUCKS, KDE ROCKS”. And yet: you had both groups working together. Not just working together but eating, drinking, socialising and building new friendships...
Ew, you made me actually read the article.
Canonical’s VP of Engineering says Ubuntu’s user base inside Windows Subsystem for Linux is growing significantly faster than its native desktop user base, and he expects WSL to overtake native Ubuntu installations within months
And there it is, right in the opening sentence: the bullshit trying to make windows look good somehow. Feels like entrapment. like how Google‘s AI answers are stealing actual click-throughs for the websites that are generating the answers people are really looking for.
the scarcest resource in open source is not money but the motivation of the maintainers.
Well money would be a huge motivator on its own. Unless his idea of motivation is to bring out the whips..
I dont mean to kick anybody, but Ubuntu is the worst of all the big name distros imo. What is its purpose? It got its lunch ate by everything and even back in the dsy slapping Debian on anything I had running Ubuntu immediately made it better.
I use Ubuntu for ease of use. Kubuntu is my flavor of choice. It just works for me so I don’t really have a reason to switch.
After my previous foray into Linux, I really didn't want to spend a lot of time fucking around with drivers trying to get all my components to work. Ubuntu and its derivatives were about the only things that had my network card and my audio card work out of the box, and while I might be willing to spend some time getting audio working, I am absolutely not going to use a second computer to get networking working on the first.
I put my dad on Kubuntu because it's the "normie distro" and I already use KDE on my arch boxes. I have not yet had to support it and it's been a year 🤞🤞
I will never understand why it's called the Windows subsystem for Linux instead of the other way around? Doesn't Linux system for Windows make so much more sense?
I don’t like the name but I don’t think so.
Linux system for Windows = adapted Linux to be able to run in Windows
Windows subsystem = adapted Windows to be able to run regular linux
Because their earlier thingy that added partial posix compatibility was called 'windows services for unix', they just continued with backwards naming scheme.
A lot of work places need to keep their workstations on Windows for mdm and security compliance etc, or the IT staff does not have the bandwidth to add another OS for their developers and keep it compliant. Installing an app to run a Linux environment in userspace is easier than getting everything supported on bare metal workstations.
Originally Ubuntu was marketing itself on freedom, and the open source culture that had made the Linux desktop possible.
Growing on Windows 11 is not helping promote freedom from proprietary software, so I don't see that as a positive.
Ubuntu has lost perspective, and abandoned the ideals and purpose of Open Source IMO.
At some point, Canonical became just another corporation.
Other than keeping their desktop FOSS (a requirement) nothing they do follows the core principles of Open Source anymore.
IMO of course.
I agree, they did help Linux 20 years ago, I started using Linux with Ubuntu in 2005, it's sad IMO that they're no longer much of a benefit to Linux. They ruined everything with their dual license shit, and trying to do internally behind closed doors, what other projects were working on, for instance when they made MIR to compete with Wayland. And their Snap package system that is proprietary doesn't help Linux either.
They've made so many bad decisions that have been detrimental to both themselves and Linux as a whole. And since 2010 their popularity has been steadily declining.
I suspect their plan was to dominate Linux and become a de facto standard for using Linux. Instead they aren't even close to the most popular distro anymore.
On Steam survey they rank 7, and on DistroWatch they rank 10 on page hit ranking for 12 months and 1 month. And on a reddit they ranks 8 as of 2025.
DistroWatch Page Hit Ranking:
https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity
Steam Harware survey:
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam
Reddit stat:
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/1sta2pu/oc_linux_distro_rankings_over_time/#lightbox
It's sad because Ubuntu had a very strong start, But Mark Shuttleworth wanted to maintain control of code that was used to improve Ubuntu, and introduced the dual license for Ubuntu projects, so Canonical could close up further developments any time they wanted. Meaning Ubuntu/Canonical became untrustworthy as maintainers of anything open source.
Luckily we now have other supporters like Valve now. And it is very telling that Ubuntu is no-longer the #1 goto distro for commercial projects.
Growing on Windows 11 is not helping promote freedom from proprietary software
I mean, it might. It could very well be a stepping stone to full Linux.
It could be.. But if we're speculating, it could also be the opposite. For example if someone has software they really need Linux for, thanks to WSL they don't need to switch or dual boot. Additionally, if someone uses WSL and it gives them a lot of trouble, then it might also give them the idea that this is because Linux is bad.
WSL is to Window users kind of what Wine/Proton is for Linux users. It's not exactly the same because people have more reasons to want to ditch Windows, but I doubt Wine/Proton is a stepping stone to full Windows for Linux users :)
Yeah exactly, we can only speculate, rather than claiming definitively that it's one or the other.
(I do think that, if Linux was the more popular option, and folks would notice that most of the things they're running under Wine, that would remove one reason for them not to switch to Windows. But yes, it will also be reason for others to stay on Linux.)
Yes I guess it could, but then the growth should appear equally or greater as independent installs.
It doesn't surprise me. After all it's the default way to start using WSL.
But for people running full distros, it seems to me most are avoiding Ubuntu these days except if they are required to use it by their employer or something. In DistroWatch it seems Ubuntu's popularity is slowly sinking.
wsl --install installs Ubuntu by default. If I had to use WSL, I'd try this first too.
There's no way this will possibly bite them on the ass.
I assume it's because people realized what Canonical is turning into and have stopped installing it. While at work you may still need some Linux tools on a Windows machine.
When getting into linux it was easy to remove ubuntu from the list due to them being like this.
Fedora considering ai earlier this year, and now debian talking about maybe slopping it too, is starting to creep me out even more about the future.
Great thing about linux is we have an embarrassment of riches to choose from. They will never conquer us, we are legion!
What is Debian considering AI for ?
Indeed. For those who are relatively new to IT: it's a reference Embrace, Extend and Extinguish, a strategy known and legally confirmed to be used by Microsoft.
@SocialistVibes01 Do these numbers include "WSL" installs?linuxvox.com/blog/windows-linu
“In a year, the growth in our WSL numbers is significantly higher than the growth in Desktop usage numbers.”
“I expect to see more Ubuntu WSL users than ‘native’ Ubuntu users over the coming months.”
Of course, Canonical isn’t saying Windows now has more Linux users than Linux itself. Seager is comparing Ubuntu through WSL against Ubuntu installed natively on a Linux PC, and the WSL side is on track to win.
I actually believe that. Seems like most Linux users are pretty anti Canonical and it's also the default distro for WSL2. I still like it for server use for enterprise support and whatnot, but I also don't really love the desktop experience they are currently shipping and don't use it on any gui machines currently. I'm not in love with snaps, if they opened up the store early on I might have been a believer but at this point it just feels like a land grab.
There is a default distro for WSL? Microsoft mostly advertises Ubuntu but that's it.
You can choose between Ubuntu, Fedora and Debian straight up but it used to force install Ubuntu last I used it.
Canonical has always had a bit of a not invented here syndrome. (Unity and Mir come to mind)
I have always recommended Ubuntu to newcomers. Mainly because its where I started (Free CDs and dial up in 2005!) and its always just mostly worked for me out of the box.
I use Ubuntu for most things but I mostly run MacOS for my desktop experience.
Remember Bazaar?
iiuc it supported a nicer workflow than git did, but that's not out of the ordinary as so does Darcs, Pijul, Jujutsu, Mercurial, etc. git is just "good enough" for people to put up with the rough edges, rather than learn a new tool that never has them to begin with.
It just never had the dev mindshare to catch on, it's been a GNU project for over 18 years at this point and that hasn't helped.
I used it extensively at a previous job and it was a good VCS, honestly.
Git is super powerful, but the learning curve is a bitch. Nobody bothers to read the docs, then shit their pants when they end up in headless state lol
That's why I love Fossil. "Headless" doesn't exist, the branch is associated to all the commits, unless you amend one of them with a later fixing tag.
Another one!
It really did suck. That said never thought I would say it... at least it wasn't GitHub!
The only bazaar I'm familiar with is this one. Which is an awesome interface to flat hub. But I can get behind the general sentiment that Canonical ruins everything related to canonical.
The thing that got released a couple of weeks before git?
Sounds like a loop hole to run WSL and let compliance only check the host OS and not the WSL OS
Ubuntu is preparing for the AI PC
I sure hope they fork it. Not that anyone should be using Ubuntu in the first place but they sure do anyway.
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