Thinking we have time left to address climate change, or that “Net Zero by 2050” will save us, is driving us toward full social collapse in ways that become more obvious with every new broken temperature record.

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[–] 4 points 3 months ago

Exellent article. Nothing to add.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    The sad reality is that humans simply can’t ingest let alone digest the level of fatalism heading our way.

    So this hopium you can find at the end of every mainstream article and in most government promises is almost a prerequisite in order to be able to simply reach a form of consciousness that’s simply not capable of seeing the very dire truth.

    I believe it is the same reason we’re doing this massive gamble on AI, while saner minds already know that LLMs are incapable of possessing true intelligence. Very similar to a person in depth finding at $100 note and instantly spending it all on the lottery. It’s not rational behaviour, and that’s telling something pretty dark about our common unconscious state.

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    [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

    There is this idea floating around from the cultural sector. The basic premise is that the cultural products like art, music, fashion, movies, tv, pop culture, literature etc are all stuck in this period of unoriginality and repetition.

    The usual analysis goes that if you went back in time 50 or 75 or 100 years, there were these decadal fads / trends / movements where a person wearing 1955 clothing in 1965 would look decidedly out of date.

    Most of the commenters started to notice that starting around some date that was maybe in the mid 1990s or early 2000s, the decadal sense of progress and change collapsed and ever since we have been more or less in one long "now".

    Music, for example, is a bunch of "tribute bands" or "retro acts" that don't label themselves as such. Movies are all about sequel franchises. Fashion is all about 'vintage ' and so on. You get the idea.

    So... If you have read this far...

    There have been a number of cultures in the history of the planet where politically and culturally the sense of the passing of time is meddled with at a linguistic and cultural level. For example, they could have a bunch of religious beliefs about immortality, or a tweak of the verb tense where you can't refer to the future or past tense, or they have a belief in a deterministic political cycles / dynasties that are super-naturally unavoidable or whatever. Cultural anthropology has a bunch of examples, often where these seemingly unstable power relationships get propped up and perpetuated and stabilized simply because the passage of time becomes unknowable, unspeakable, loses salience and so on -- the population can't imaginethe possibility of a deep change in society.

    For me, this all connects. We had Bush I, Baby Bush, Clinton, the Other Clinton, Trump I, Obama's VP came back, Trump II. Like all these repeats of reruns...

    What decade is this? We are in this societal state where it's like the snooze alarm keeps going off and being reset and the limbo state continues to play...

    My personal thought is that this is a bottom - up phenomenon. I don't think Trump is a mastermind puppeteer keeping time from passing. Rather he is the beneficiary of the popular vibe that people prefer to keep sleeping away the years. Trumps decade of significance is the 1980s. People, on some level, would rather go back in time than forward to the future.

    And the "why" of it is that waking up, you wake up to a kind of waking nightmare. We have no ready made cultural narrative to comprehend what's really happening.

    The climate picture is clearly moving ahead, but culturally we have taken a step away into this abstraction. "The climate in 2100". " 2 degrees". "Net zero in 2050". Nothing is about right now.

    Cynically and pessimistically, I think when we reach 2° the headlines will have already been about 3° for years as we cross that line. We will never be present to our lives. We can never be horrified or alerted. The worse it becomes the greater the disconnectedness...

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Well said. I just want to tack on something similar I've noticed in talking about this kind of stuff with everyday people: none of us are individually powerful enough to make any significant change and thinking about it becomes too depressing, so most people tend to retreat into themselves and their immediate lives, choosing instead to only focus on what they themselves can do, often by through nostalgic daydreams/escaping back into a time when they didn't have to think about such things (because they weren't aware of its existence yet).

    Not only does this obviously contribute nothing to stopping the problem, but it just encourages even more individualistic thinking, which leads to more selfish behaviors and so on and so on. Humanity's greatest achievements have only been possible through working together with one another, but that seems to be getting more and more impossible with each passing day. The elites have always been bastards, ever since society began, but the masses were (for the most part) willing to work together when needed. Now? Nobody trusts strangers anymore, we're all tied to our phones in our own personalized echo chambers (I say, perfectly aware of the irony as I type this on my own cell phone, alone in my room), and the elites have stopped even pretending to care what the rest of the world thinks about their unbridled avarice.

    In my opinion, we're completely fucked, and we have been for a long time. MAYBE at some point in the last 100-odd years there might have been a way to stop this from occuring, but with the current way Systems are in place to maintain the status quo and reach for maximum profits at all costs, there's simply nothing we can do short of a planet-wide overthrow of everything that the last few centuries have been building/reinforcing. Capitalism has murdered our planet and now, as it feasts upon the carcass, we are just left to sit and watch, powerless, idly passing the time until it is our turn to rot away with it

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    One of the important cultural theorists was Mark Fisher.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_Realism

    " Fisher argues that this ideology, epitomized by the phrase "it is easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism," creates a timeless "now" where neoliberalism is treated as an unchangeable reality rather than a constructed system. "

    One of his main ideas is that there is no longer any ideology that is in any opposition to capitalism and business, and that to us it is seen as natural and inevitable.

    So, this resonates perfectly with your response, only what Fisher is pointing out is that this is nothing but an illusion. Just because the alternatives have seemed to dry up does not mean this system will keep on going forever.

    Putting an even finer point on it, what Fisher says is happening is that we didn't enter this "long now" to keep clothing fashions from evolving. The long now is to hide the possibility of a deep structural change in our economy and politics. As soon as people start to become aware of the many alternatives to our current system change can become real.

    I think this hyper individualism is kind of a response to the same problem. As individuals, we largely don't buy into the mainstream system, however we don't see any other collective movements yet, and so there is this growing alienation and isolation.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    I remember reading about this several years ago but largely forgot about it until now, so thank you for reminding me. It's often easier to remember an idea when you can slap a name onto it. While it isn't enough to point towards a solution, it's at least nice to be reminded that people smarter than me have already started trying. At the very least, it's enough to discourage me from giving up entirely so, once again, thank you

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    double post but what post could be more important to double post than this post?

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    [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    This chart from the article hit me in the civic-duty feels

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    Even this article, despite repeating over and over how we have already crossed the "it's too late" thresholds, ends with a call to action, as if we can still do something about it.

    And as long as we go with their mendacious flow, hundreds of millions, and then billions will die well before “Net Zero by 2050” or “our great grandkids’ future” arrive. Because we are out of time. And we need to get to work immediately. There are a million things to do.

    What is there to do? Let's say we shut down fossil fuel infrastructure. What goes with it? Fertilizer production, farm equipment, transportation, refrigeration, all the requirements to sustain the lives we worry will be lost due to climate change. Let's replace it with renewables, then. The cost in energy, production, and resources to replace the current world-wide farming, transportation, and energy infrastructure with renewables is somewhere in the high trillions of dollars and who knows how many years (decades) of time to make it happen. Of course we should still try to do it. But it's not going to save us. The damage is already done. The patient is fatally poisoned. We could maybe stop the flow of poison, but they'll still die. The hard pill to swallow here is there is no solution. We've painted ourselves into a corner and we're going to die here. You can blame the oligarch class. They deserve it. But remember how hard it was to do even a partial shutdown during covid? The level of shutdown required to stop poisoning our planet is way more severe than that. It's not going to happen, not willingly. Not until there is literally no way to deny what's happening. And by then it will be far too late.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    The best moment to stop was yesterday the next best moment is now.

    With the current trajectory half the globe will have more than a month of deadly days. That is days where the temperature and humidity are such that humans can't sweat so they are cooked alive. Not having enough food will be another problem in 20 years because of irregular weather. We already have frost in late spring which often kills plants and in conjunction with irregular rain patterns, leads to massiv crop failures. This will only get worse.

    If we don't address this quickly, swiftly we will not need fertilizer because it will not matter. Current climate change is already a mass extinction event such that it starts to rival the start of photosynthesis.

    But we don't do anything so it is very likely that humanity will not survive this.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    yeah I feel like more doomers are getting the innaction bug. Are we gonna stop it. Nope not really. Will we survive. I guess maybe but certainly not in a way any of us would want to live. Do we want to get to horribleness faster. I sure don't. Im going to do the best I can individually and push for the best we can do societaly and besides pushing off suffering there is also im going to go out knowing I did as much as I could right up to the end.

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    [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    The sad reality is that humans simply can’t ingest let alone digest the level of fatalism heading our way.

    So this hopium you can find at the end of every mainstream article and in most government promises is almost a prerequisite in order to be able to simply reach a form of consciousness that’s simply not capable of seeing the very dire truth.

    I believe it is the same reason we’re doing this massive gamble on AI, while saner minds already know that LLMs are incapable of possessing true intelligence. Very similar to a person in depth finding at $100 note and instantly spending it all on the lottery. It’s not rational behaviour, and that’s telling something pretty dark about our common unconscious state.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I don't think it's true.

    Humans kicked freons to the curb.

    Humans can understand big disasters.

    It's the ruling class pushing us towards extinction, not regular Joe.

    We need more class solidarity, and not whitewashing shit and excusing the current state of society. What the west is doing is sick, and we need to stop everything we do and focus on climate now.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    We need more class solidarity

    You do realize millions of MAGAs and libertarians are saying exactly the same thing about the need for unrestricted markets, yes?

    What we need are people who can think critically and who are not trapped in their own infobubble.

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    [–] 8 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I feel like killing off 4 billion people is sort of the game plan at this point for the elite. Theyve convinced themselves they can vibe code their way to utopia after the annoyingly hungry masses have died out.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Those elites are also very stupid. Part of the mass cope with this collapsing dystopia is that we believe in genius villains trying to control the world; they are not geniuses, even if they are evil. That's one of the main reasons why nobody should have, really, any power over others (including wealth power.)

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