The Wikimedia Foundation waited until immediately after its largest annual conference to say it wouldn't voluntarily recognize its workers' union.

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[–] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Edit: some more nuance here https://lemmy.world/comment/25101191 maybe not si bad as it seems...

This is definitely one of the more disappointing pieces of news I've read in a while. It's not like I thought the Wikimedia Foundation was a paragon of virtue and justice, but I thought they would at least be better than this. It seems like there really aren't very many good employers left in the tech industry ( I understand the Wikimedia Foundation covers more than tech). I really need something global remote, but... Eesh. Starting to think the better bet is to get into independent contracting for smaller businesses or something...

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  • 21 comments in c/wikipedia@lemmy.world view that post
    [–] 24 points 3 months ago

    For wikipedia editors, there is an english wikipedia petition with 1200+ signatures going around to signal solidarity with the workers. And signal preparedness to strike from editing if Wikimedia foundation does not resolve this.

    Here it is

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    the Wikimedia Foundation announced it would not voluntarily recognize the union and said the union would have to conduct a vote as overseen by the National Labor Relations Board.

    If the union is wanted by a supermajority of workers, isn’t the vote a foregone conclusion? What is the WF getting by making them jump through that hoop, other than bad optics?

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    As stated, the decision to unionize belongs to staff. The Foundation’s responsibility is to ensure that they can make their own choice freely. So that every eligible employee has an equal voice, we believe a secret-ballot election conducted by the National Labor Relations Board is the appropriate path forward. This process protects individual choice and ensures that any outcome reflects the collective will of those eligible to participate.

    this is their rhetoric. it seems they don't like unions and are calling the bluff.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    They also say:

    There are also different implications and requirements for union recognition. For example, in the UK, staff members can individually decide whether to join the union or not, whereas in the United States all union eligible staff would be covered by a collective bargaining agreement, and in many states it is possible that all union eligible staff may be required to pay union fees, even if they choose not to participate in signing cards or voting.

    That feels like it couldn't possibly be true, but if it is that honestly seems like a fairly good justification for letting the union process play out without managerial interference.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Well guess I'm not going to be donating to wikipedia next time they have a funding drive.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    You should write them a note explaining why, otherwise boycotting is a really noisy signal

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Doesn't have to be voluntarily.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Why are Wikimedia workers unionizing? I was expecting a non-profit to be on the less greedy end of the spectrum

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    Allegedly they fire and bully the employees a lot. Recently they fired the entire team that was dealing with the "Community Wishlist", the most direct way WP editors had to make requests for technical improvements and tools to WMF.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    Knowing people who've worked for non-profits there's a lot of horror stories out there. When the work is important and money is scarce you get a lot of shitty behavior. But also just in general no big workplace is going to be free of terrible bosses

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  • [–] [M] 3 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    Not a Wikipedia link, but we're allowing because it's important to the existence of Wikipedia

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Thanks, in my opinion there should be a rule allowing meta news about wikipedia and the wikimedia foundation. Is that something you’ve considered?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    Maybe the press release came out after Wikimania, but it was known to the relevant staff members at Wikimania.

    I'm not on the board or the staff of any Wikimedia organisation, but at Wikimania one of the Union organisers told me in the presence of a board member that the board had requested the formal vote, and that he considered it a delaying tactic. The board member later told me that it's not that simple, that the board isn't basically anti-union, but that they're following process, and that it's complicated because there are some employees that are directly employed by the foundation in the USA, and others that are employed under local contracts in various other countries, through an agency.

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  • 2 comments in c/antiwork@lemmy.world view that post
    [–] 11 points 3 months ago

    What a bag of dicks. They want a second vote overseen by the Trump administration.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    remember this next time Jimmy Wales bugs you for money. Ayn Rand loving douche canoe.

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  • 2 comments in c/ghazi@lemmy.blahaj.zone view that post
    [–] 11 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Pardon my French, but why the duck not!? I'm canceling my support until they do.

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 3 months ago

    AFAIK most Wikipedia contributors do not understand the move, but it is in line with Wikimedia firing a ton of employees a few weeks ago. The entire management of the foundation seems to suffer from tech capitalism brainrot.

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  • 1 comment in c/unions@sh.itjust.works view that post
    [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    Boycotting Wikipedia would be one (if I recall that is what kept Wikipedia from trying to adopt the for profit model.)

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    [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    Another enshitification has begun.

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