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[–] 119 points 3 months ago (2 children)

and take the economy with it...

Yeah like the last umpteen times this has happened in my lifetime. We live in a society of greed, who knew it would be so unstable?

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    But this hype is real. Promise! Really real! Or the next one!

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    See entry level people believe it's fundamentals. Smarter people understand that it's reading people and knowing when they're dumb enough to invest and knowing when to bail before they wise up. So if you think about it in those respects, it is indeed an honest to goodness "real" thing. People are really being ripped off by con-artist.

    But yeah, the days of the 1890s to 1930s of structured investment, measured risk, and mitigation of the unforeseen, those days are dead. There aren't market fundamentals outside of being able to identify rubes.

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  • [–] 102 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    If that's the thing that kills the economy, the economy deserves to be killed

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  • [–] 60 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    Which economy? The billionaire economy of the normies economy?

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    First one, then the other because it's only fair

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    ah, because the billionaires are going to suck the blood from the regular economy like a vampire to recover

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    Recover? No they buy low and double their take (or 100x or whatever the ratio is at this point).

    We’re doing trillionaires now don’t forget. Even though Elon might not be anymore, there will be others unless we get our act together.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    We will follow the billionaires into it economic hell. In solidarity of course.

    Fuck, I wish we had a choice in this.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    We could always make them feel like life is hell and death would be welcome, especially considering that they're doing it to us., and they. Do. Not. Care.

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  • [–] 40 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    It has always been either the economy crashing because the AI bubble pops, or the economy crashes because the bubble didn't pop due to AI successfully replacing enormous numbers of workers.

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  • [+] -17 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    It's not AI it's UBI. AI is going to happen. What was important was an orderly transition to UBI.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    AI is going to happen.

    Oh? So there are hard numbers showing a positive ROI now?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Frankly, it looks like nobody making decisions is doing that based on numbers anymore, and if that's a case, it is definitely happening based on vibes.

    Or not, if something new and shiny captures their attention before that.

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  • [–] 66 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, like we haven't been through multiple "generational" recessions.

    At this point I feel like I've spent more time alive during recessions than not, so what's one more for the pile - especially if it means getting to watch the AI bros go bankrupt.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 months ago

    Let the dominoes fall.

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  • [–] 28 points 3 months ago

    The stability of our economy depends on them quickly changing course.

    Oh. Well.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Not could. It's a mathematical certainty that it will. Barring a breakthrough miracle -- fat chance.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    It really feels like the options are:

    • Bubble bursts because it requires more money than the entire global economy not too at this point.
    • Total regulatory capture and we just somehow keep it going forever to the detriment and gradual decay of literally everything else.
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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    An AI breakthrough has nothing to do with LLMs, it's like saying the auto industry will collapse except if there is an AI breakthrough that saves it.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    That's what a breakthrough means. But obviously all the funding is burned up in more DCs with incremental iteration on the same design. So the bubble has to pop for real innovation. But I think this coming AI winter will be permanent, as things are very visibly falling apart.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago*

    Well yeah, but my statement is true anyways IMO. Deep neural networks are unchanged since the eighties I guess, and again IMO it's not they who need/can have a breakthrough, doubly especially since nobody seems to be working on anything else than "bigger datasets" and profiling and such.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    I think that's kind of their idea. Be unsustainable and unprofitable, yet push to be on everything so the Goverment will bail them out.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    The current everything bubble is too big to be bailed out. It will take down with it everything. Including the value of currency.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I wonder if we will be able to get GPUs and RAM for reasonable prices afterwards.

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  • Yeah wow hey maybe you should have fucking listened to everyone who’s been saying that for goddamn YEARS. 🫩

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Too big to fail...again...

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    The 2008 bailout happened because it was the banking sector that was exposed. If the consumer banks fail, everybody's accounts go up in flames.

    Part of getting that bailout was that the banks had to restructure to insulate commercial banking from investment banking. Supposedly the investment arm can now get taken out, and the damage to the commercial arm is limited. I'll believe that when I see it. The big question at the moment is "how exposed are the banks?".

    Oracle, Nvidia, Microsoft, OpenAI, Anthropic are all massively exposed. Nvidia and Microsoft might be big enough for a decimated version of themselves to come out the other side. Everyone else is going to the wall. No need to bail them out though. That's a contained explosion.

    If the bank are making loans of hundreds of billions thinking they're sure fire money makers, but actually they're piles of shit, then it's 2008 again. That's when we see if they really protected the commercial arms of their banks.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    I’ve put all my money in pogs so I should be ok.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    Uhh, bottle caps are the future.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Nuka-cola is hard to come by here tho.
    I've wondered ... are the bottlecaps radioactive?
    How does that work out when you have a pocketful next to your nuts?

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    You joke, but you can buy it. Jones Soda makes it. That said, it's not worth buying except to keep the bottles as collectibles.

    In-game, no they aren't radioactive. Most of the wasteland somehow isn't radioactive enough to set off a gieger counter. Yet a lot of the fresh meat and produce are radioactive. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Not played those games but to be fair in a nuclear wasteland you would expect fresh meat and vegetables to be more radioactive than the general environment. Animals and plants can accumulate radioactive fallout, if it’s diffuse in the soil it can be more concentrated in whatever lives off that soil. Radioactive contamination often consists of caesium-137 which behaves like potassium, and strontium-90 which behaves like calcium, so you’re getting screwed by conventional biochemistry as much as nuclear physics.

    This is a concern in the Chernobyl exclusion zone even now, there’s mushrooms and other forage that must be avoided for this reason.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I quit drinking soda years ago as I got older and needed to cut shit that was making me fat.
    I will (like every other year) occasionally have a Mountain Dew or a Sprite.
    Soda is lovely stuff, but its definitely radioactive.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose.

    Bob Dylan

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I didn't know Bob Dylan was poor! /s

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    He was at one point in his life.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I thought I was going to learn something new, but he just seems to have done the regular job search that many artists do? He had a stable family with a house and so on, didn't live on the street or anything. Struggled the first year to get contracts for what I read but that's about it.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    I can burst it quick if I invest in Nvidia and AMD.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    AMD is an industry leader with a huge economic moat and I think they will be okay when the bubble pops. I'm not sure about Nvidia though, despite having superb chips, because the problem is they loaned to companies to buy their chips. So, Nvidia's finances will be strained because Jensen Huang created a ponzi scheme that could not repay or be profitable to itself.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    Not really a ponzi, more like circular financing. Nvidia exposed itself to the AI bust for no reason other than to keep the money flowing to buy their chips for a little longer. They were selling shovels in a gold rush and screwed it up by letting people finance the shovels. They're not in the finance business, they're in the chip business.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    nvidia gives a trillion dollars to AI, AI buys a trillion dollars of future, currently unmade video cards to run the AI, nvidia gives AI another trillion dollars, AI buys another trillion dollars of unmade future cards, etc etc etc.

    Its the biggest, highest energy economic ouroborus I've ever seen.

    I cant see how nvidia survives the pop, and quite frankly, I'd be glad to see nvidia die. its been dragging the GPU market in bad directions for a decade+ now and I think it'd be better to be free of its influence.. and it'd open the door to new players to step up and competition again.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    The economy has not been good since the 70's and I wish economists would collectively pull their heads out of their asses and stop towing the line of the ones in charge.

    What you or I experience is completely decoupled from the stock market, or the GDP, and has been forever.

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    It would be so funny that the economy crashes, making poor people poorer and rich people richer!

    Because that is what happened in the past few crashes. So I'm not entirely sure when and where I should start laughing about this

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    in the past the rich got richer because the poor didn't understand who to blame.

    sentiment towards the wealthy these days is far more volatile than it was in the 1930s.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    And it will just happen again. If you think the poor will rise up or something like that, then I have a bridge to sell you.

    Do not underestimate the US propaganda apparatus

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Sigh. Guess I'm gonna go read Ed Zitron's latest rant.
    Haven't read it yet, no idea what he's on about today, but here's the link.
    https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-more-you-buy-the-more-you-lose/

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  • [+] 9 points 3 months ago* (4 children)
  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    For what? I have 64gb and have almost never utilized it all. Maybe if I used integrated graphics running modded factorio on a big map with all of the graphics overhauls.

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    [–] 24 points 3 months ago

    That’s the point. AI was never meant to succeed. It’s a ransom. They are willing to kill the hostages so to speak.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago

    The scumbags are getting better at making sure they end up rich when it happens. The only important thing from their point of view.

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    So the top 7 companies hedged their entire futures on something unsustainable? In the last 12 months Oracle already laid off over 50,000 employees to bottom-line their AI goals (30,000 ish and 21,000ish a couple weeks ago).

    Are we at the point of stocking up on materials and pulling $$ from banks for the inevitable collapse?

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    World War 3 will keep it going!

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    I've heard World War 3 sucks. Can't wait for World War 4, hope they finally get all the bugs sorted out.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I hear that one's going digital only. We won't even own our own grenades anymore

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Well, ehm... Worldwide or "just" the US economy who build up on this shit the last year or so?

    Not sure how the follow up impact will be on other countries, but first of, the US will be fucked

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    economy of paid subscriptions needs to die. ☑️

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