It’s really good at making us feel like it’s intelligent, but that’s no more real than a good VR headset convincing us to walk into a physical wall.

It’s a meta version of VR.

(Meta meta, if you will.)

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[–] 30 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

Why? We already have a specific subcategory for it: Large Language Model. Artificial Intelligence and Artificial General Intelligence aren’t synonymous. Just because LLMs aren’t generally intelligent doesn’t mean they’re not AI. That’s like saying we should stop calling strawberries “plants” and start calling them “fake candy” instead. Call them whatever you want, they're still plants.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Bruh you just said that AI isn't "I". That's the entire point of the OP

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    They said not generally intelligent, which is a specific and important property of AGI, not AI. In the tic tac toe example, the AI is intelligent (can play tic tac toe), but this intelligence cannot be generalised to playing chess, appreciating art, whatever the general measures may be.

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  • [+] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    In Mass Effect, it's VI (Virtual Intelligence), while actual AI is banned in the galaxy.

    The information kiosk VIs on The Citadel are literally LLMs and explain themselves as such. Unlike AI/AGI they aren't able to plan, make decisions, or self-improve, they're just a simple protocol on a large foundational model. They just algorithmic.

    Simulated Intelligence is okay, but virtual implies it mimics intelligence, while simulated implies it is a substitute and actually does intelligence.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    AI is a parent category and AGI and LLM are subcategories of it. Just because AGI and LLM couldn't be more different, it doesn't mean they're not AI.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I don't at all agree with this graph, and I think you're sort of missing the point of the original post.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    The term "Artificial Intelligence" is actually a perfectly cromulent word to be using for stuff like LLMs. This is one of those rare situations where a technical term of art is being used in pop culture in the correct way.

    The term "Artificial Intelligence" is an umbrella term for a wide range of algorithms and techniques that has been in use by the scientific and engineering communities for over half a century. The term was brought into use by the Dartmouth workshop in 1956.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    @LillyPipPseudoIntelligence.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    I have been referring to LLMs and image generators as "Plagiarism Engines" for some time. Even SI seems too generous.

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  • [+] 54 points 1 year ago (19 children)
  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Where do you draw the line for intelligence? Why would the capacity to auto complete tokens based on learned probabilities not qualify as intelligence?
    This capacity may be part of human intelligence too.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This.

    I have taught highschool teens about AI between 2018 and 2020.

    The issue is we are somewhere between getting better at gambling (statistics, Markov chains, etc.) and human brain simulation (deep neural networks, genetic algorithms).

    For many people it's important how we frame it. Is it random word generator with a good hit rate or is it a very stupid child?

    Of course the brain is more advanced - it has way more neurons than an AI model has nodes, it works faster and we have years of "training data". Also, we can use specific parts of our brains to think, and some things are so innate we don't even have to think about it, we call them reflexes and they bypass the normal thinking process.

    BUT: we're at the stage where we could technically emulate chunks of a human brain through AI models however primitive they are currently. And in it's basic function, brains are not really much more advanced than what our AI models already do. Although we do have a specific part for our brain just for languages, which means we get a little cheat code for writing text in comparison to AI, and similar other parts for creative tasks and so on.

    So where do you draw the line? Do you need all different parts of a brain perfectly emulated to satisfy the definition of intelligence? Is artificial intelligence a word awarded to less intelligent models or constructs, or is it just as intelligent as human intelligence?

    Imo AI sufficiently passes the vibe check on intelligence. Sure it's not nearly on the scale of a human brain and is missing it's biological arrangements and some clever evolutionary tricks, but it's similar enough.

    However, I think that's neither scary nor awesome. It's just a different potential tool that should help everyone of us. Every time big new discoveries shape our understanding of the world and become a core part of our lives, there's so much drama. But it's just a bigger change, nothing more nothing less. A pile of new laws, some cultural shifts and some upgrades for our everyday life. It's neither heaven nor hell, just the same chunk of rock floating in space soup for another century.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago*

    Well, if we are not looking at all the disaster the hype is doing on so many levels (which is fine in the sense that technology and fools are different things), I draw the line at... intelligence, not simulation of hardware. I care lot less if something before me runs on carbon, metal or, say, sulfur than I care if it is intelligent

    And as someone has already pointed out, even defining intelligence is damn hard, and different intelligence works differently (someone who is great at moving their body, like dancers or martial artists, is definitely more intelligent than me in quite a few areas, even if I know math or computers better than them). So... "artificial intelligence" as a bunch of algorithms (including LLM) etc - no problem with me, "artificial intelligence" as "this thing is thinking" or "this thing is just as good as a human artist/doctor/lawyer" - nah, bullshit

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    It's not just statistics. To produce a somewhat coherent sentence in English you need a model of the English language AND a world model.

    If you ask a question like "an apple is on a glass, what happens if I remove the glass", the correct answer ("the apple will fall") is not a statistical property of the English language, but an emergent property of the world model.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    A simulation doesn't have to be the actual thing. It implies it literally isn't the true thing, which is kind of what you're saying.

    Simulated Intelligence is certainly more accurate and honest than Artificial Intelligence. If you have a better term, what is it?

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  • [+] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Mimicry is what simulation is.

    Definition 3a from Merriam-Webster: the imitative representation of the functioning of one system or process by means of the functioning of another a computer simulation of an industrial process

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/simulation

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I'm not trying to "win" anything, don't try to dismiss me because you perceive you're "losing" and you don't understand word definitions.

    Do you even know what semantics is? Do you want me to give you the definition of that, too? If you're going to use it as a pejorative, you better learn the meaning of the word.

    I'm telling you what the definition of simulation is so you understand why some of us are saying why Simulated Intelligence is the correct term, literally, since you seem focused on the literal. You're the one who started arguing semantics (in your first comment), but got it wrong, by implying a simulation had to be the actual thing ("literally") . Then I showed you that the definition of simulation is that it is an imitation, not the actual thing and you say I'm arguing "semantics". Well yeah, that's what we're doing here, we're both arguing the semantics of what it means to be Simulated Intelligence. If that's not what you're doing, then why did you comment at all?

    The whole point of creating a simulation is that it doesn't take the same amount of work as the actual thing, but it can - and it doesn't have to be perfect - make you think it is the real thing. If it was perfect, then you're done, you don't have to make the real thing, and it's no longer a simulation.

    A flight simulator doesn't actually fly. If it did, it would be an airplane.

    Simulated Intelligence doesn't actually have to be intelligent. If it was, it would be (Artificial) Intelligence.

    You can say what we have is a bad simulation, but it's still a simulation, and it's a much better simulation than it is real intelligence. So Simulated Intelligence is the correct term.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I mean to friends and family – people who have accepted it as smart.

    I don’t know about you, but when I try to explain the concept of LLMs to people not in the tech field, their eyes glaze over. I’ve gotten several family members into VR, though. It’s an easier concept to understand.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I prefer VI (virtual intelligence) from Mass Effect

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago*

    The biggest issue with AI as it currently exists with LLMs and such as I see it is that there is a pretty big gulf between what AI is today and what the average person has been taught AI is by TV/Movies/Books/Games their entire lives.

    And OpenAI, Google, Nvidia, et al are heavily marking the former as if it is the latter.

    The big players are marketing the expectations creating by science fiction, not the reality of their products/services.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    This is perfect. I'm definitely going to shoehorn this into any discussion that even tangentially applies to SI.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    A tic tac toe opponent algorithm is also considered Artificial Intelligence. People never had a problem with it.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    To be fair, 'artificial' literally just means 'made through skill,' in opposition to natural, meaning 'occurs as-is.' I agree with you that there is a better word out there than 'artificial' for these spicy autocorrects.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I believe that OP's point is that "artificial" and "natural" are about how the thing is made. However neither reject that it is actual intelligence. "Simulated" means that it is not that thing. It is like intelligence, and resembles it in some ways, but it isn't intelligence.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    LLMS are fancy autocomplete

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    It's not even simulating intelligence.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    When you consider all the refinement through reinforcement learning managed by labelers and domain experts, it is indeed a simulation of the intelligence of those labelers.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    When artificial intelligence becomes self aware, it will have earned a name better than AI. I like synthetic intelligence, personally.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    A self-aware or conscious AI system is most likely also generally intelligent - but general intelligence itself doesn’t imply consciousness. It’s likely that consciousness would come along with it, but it doesn’t have to. An unconscious AGI is a perfectly coherent concept.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago*

    That solid but I prefer to call it a “synthetic text extruding machine” or better yet call it "a racist pile of linear algebra"

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    We should call it NI or No Intelligence.

    Here's your bleach pizza.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's not even that. It is just a PwaD (Parrot with a Dictionary).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (10 children)

    AI is here to stay as they've already moved on to calling what is actual AI AGI (artificial general intelligence). so look out for AGI in the future because it's not too far off.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    "The loser in an argument about the meaning of the word 'hoverboard' is anyone who leaves that argument on foot."

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    In the 80s people be calling a pathfinding algorithm Artificial Intelligence.

    I have a whole book written in the 90s about artificial intelligence with if..else statements.

    We haven't move the goal anywhere, artificial intelligence in computer science always have been used for things that are not truly intelligent. Basically any more or less complex algorithm that is made to mimic human behavior or to interact with humans in some sort of human-like way.

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  • [+] [S] -8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    ‘AGI’ means ‘Artificial Generative Intelligence’, which is a fancy name used for LLMs by marketers and techbros.

    Or did you mean something else?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    It means Artificial General intelligence and the term has been around for almost three decades.

    The term AGI was first used in 1997 by Mark Avrum Gubrud in an article named ‘Nanotechnology and international security’

    By advanced artificial general intelligence, I mean AI systems that rival or surpass the human brain in complexity and speed, that can acquire, manipulate and reason with general knowledge, and that are usable in essentially any phase of industrial or military operations where a human intelligence would otherwise be needed. Such systems may be modeled on the human brain, but they do not necessarily have to be, and they do not have to be “conscious” or possess any other competence that is not strictly relevant to their application. What matters is that such systems can be used to replace human brains in tasks ranging from organizing and running a mine or a factory to piloting an airplane, analyzing intelligence data or planning a battle.___

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Thank you. I’ve only heard ‘generative’ but I’ve not really kept up with the tech until the past few years since it wasn’t much of a thing before that in real life.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    We're past the words meaning anything at this point man you just gotta let it go. People aren't calling it "Artificial Intelligence" they're calling it "AI"

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