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[–] 27 points 3 months ago (6 children)

I should get more things on gog.

Steam just makes things work on linux without issue so thats why we still get steam games.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Heroic launcher pretty much does the same for GOG games. Sad that it needs a third-party launcher, but it works quite well.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    I guess I have to give Heroic a try. I've been using lutris but the auto-generated install scripts are kind of a hit and miss due to gog changing their naming convention on some games.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Heroic lets you log in on your GOG, Epic, and Amazon accounts and then can install your games directly from your library and sets up Proton like on Steam. It's not 100% as user-friendly, but it's pretty effective.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    Lutris does the same. I don't know if it has Amazon integration but it has itch integration which is more relevant to me. It also used to have pretty good gog integration where you just log in with your gog account, pick a game, click install and play. It would even find all the DLCs you have for the game and offer easy installation of those as well.

    But recently gog has started changing the names of their install executables so the installation scripts lutris autogenerates fail due to not finding the correct installer. It's not every game as some games still use the old naming convention but some games require manual installation and if those games have DLCs then those become an extra annoyance due to how gog handles the installation of DLC.

    That's why I'm interested in Heroic because if it's still as convenient as Lutris used to be then I'm willing to sacrifice itch for better integration with gog because my gog library is much bigger than my itch library. But if it's having the same issues as Lutris I don't see a reason to pick Heroic over Lutris because Lutris has more relevant (to me) integrations and I'm pretty familiar with how to use it as a tool to get troublesome games running. I just don't the benefit of learning a different software if it's not going to give me any benefits over what I already use.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I've never had any luck with Lutris, it was always troublesome to get things working for me, but tbf I haven't used it in a while,

    If itch is something you care about, you may want to stick with what you're used to, as Heroic doesn't do itch natively.

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  • [–] 94 points 3 months ago (27 children)

    This is the message we need to hear. The bread and butter. I get so tired of people nitpicking GOG and Mozilla over every relatively minor thing when they are some of the only people trying to hold back the deluge of bullshit.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Agreed. Someone complained Firefox moved to updates every few days or something.

    They had no clue Firefox updates like all the time.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Do they? Maybe for minor releases but I'm pretty sure Firefox is currently doing major releases every 4 weeks and starting from September they're going to do it byweekly. Personally I don't see what the big deal is but I can absolutely see someone on the fediverse being outraged by the idea of a more frequent release schedule.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Ran into someone complaining about the same with Edge and updates going to every 4 weeks. Showed them the release log where they have been releasing one to two times a week - minor updates but still updates that require the browser to be restarted but that the person never noticed.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    byweekly I think you mean semi-weekly. Bi-weekly is twice per week

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Also it means every 2 weeks. Which is the case here.

    Semi-weekly however ONLY means twice per week.

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  • [+] -17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Also it means every 2 weeks

    Only for people that can't speak English

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Mozilla is the best browser to ever exist and I will die on this hill.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    You mean Firefox? Or is Mozilla the actual core or something? I thought they were just a company or a foundation or whatever

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    I've been a gamer for almost 4 decades, so I have quite a lot of experience wanting to run games that I remember were a lot of fun and it turns out they are so old they won't run anymore.

    Typically it's one of 3 things:

    • The hardware I have now won't support it (say, I don't have a floopy drive anymore, or they're from an entirelly different architecture such as the pre-PC game consoles). There's also quirky ones such as games made at a time when CPUs were so slow that the game just runs as fast as it can (which was fine for older CPUs, but not for CPUs which are thousands of times faster) rather than use the system clock to set its tempo.
    • The OS I have won't support it. Say, it's a DOS or Windows 3.1 game
    • The game has DRM which relies on shit which doesn't apply anymore (for example, OS quirks that aren't present in newer OS versions).

    There are often ways around the first two - for the hardware sometimes you can get modern versions of older hardware (for example you can actually get an external USB Floppy Disk Drive) and if it's old enough there will be emulators, whilst for the OS it's either emulators or adaptor layers.

    Only way around the third is either a game crack or the game having no DRM to begin with.

    Now, outside the transition of hardware architectures (say, from Amiga to PC) this used to apply maybe after a game was out 10 - 20 years. In the Phone-home DRM generation this seems to apply much faster - the game maker just turns off their servers 5 - 10 years after the game is out and now you can't legally play that game anymore.

    All this to say that GOG and Pirates are the only ones fighting the good fight on making sure we won't suffer this shit some years from now, which is even more important now that we're in the Phone-home DRM age.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (14 children)

    The Nazi thing is nota nitpick though. They need to address that properly instead of the “sorry we got caught” response they gave.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    GOG's founder did eventually give a better reply here (scroll to Mikee's comment): https://www.gog.com/forum/general/nazi_symbols_in_an_email_and_bs_excuse/page18

    I'm not convinced GOG owes us any explanation beyond that. Even in the worst case where the accusers are right and it was an intentional dog-whistle, the marketing guy who did it probably gave his superiors the same explanation we got, in which case GOG management genuinely believes they already 100% told us what happened.

    Also, the argument that GOG not sending the email to Germany proves they knew that it was bad ahead of time on an organizational level is common enough to be worth addressing here. It ignores how localization is often done, one person writing a template that then goes to others to localize and send out individually. I assume adding some review time between localization and send out is among the process changes they mentioned.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    Is this about the Gog Newsletter thing? I’m not 100% informed, but didn’t they pretty much admit that they weren’t aware that ᛋ displayed as ϟ in some devices?

    It’s not even a “sorry we got caught” thing, they had nothing to gain by sending a Nazi symbol in their newsletter. What more are they supposed to say?

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

    It's not a nitpick, but also that newsletter is not indicative of GOG being a Nazi organization. The idea that they specifically decided to advertise a new game based on Slavic mythology specifically so that they could send a mass advertisement to half their user base intentionally using Nazi symbolism is wild. It is much more likely that some marketing dimwit Googled "Slavic runes," and copied some random ones from the first site they found.

    Screenshot of the first result for "slavic emoji" on google

    It's one data point, not a pattern. Definitely something to watch out for, but there's literally nothing else in the history of the company to suggest that they have any white supremacist tendencies

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Almost like "slavic emoji" means something... Why does my dog keep crying?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (4 children)

    Given it was an advertisement for a game inspired by Slavic mythology, "Slavic emoji" means "advertisement for a game inspired by Slavic mythology" in this case. Do you think the developers of The End Of The Sun are nazis?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    The Slav's use the same emoji's as the rest of the world.

    I think some idiot was trying to be edgy (👀) and GOG's PR dept obviously sucks, they put the shit out to begin.

    btw, that's not a special slavic emoji

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (2 children)

    It's literally the first result when searching the phrase "Slavic emoji" on google. Hanlon's razor applies. Most normal people are not aware of any nazi symbols other than the swastika

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah I agree with most of what you said. It's concerning though, they could have easily responded with a responding “Nazi shit has no place here, super sorry we let that slip through”

    It is much more likely that some marketing dimwit Googled "Slavic runes," and copied some random ones from the first site they found.

    That's the part I find doubtful, this sequence can only be found on a site by or about Nazis. I feel like even the dumbest idiot would clock that, but I've underestimated idiots before

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    this sequence can only be found on a site by or about Nazis.

    I mean, that exact sequence is in the header of the first result for an ostensibly innocent google search. Spend some time where normal people hang out, and you'll find that a lot of them can't clock Nazi dogwhistles. I've personally had to explain the significance of "14/88" to people who thought I was nuts for calling the My Pillow guy a nazi

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Love to see it from GOG. Now if only they had a Linux launcher akin to Steam Big Picture Mode.

    They would be the dream imo

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I wouldn't hold my breath. When they release their latest launcher (2019), it still had example code from the Windows Vista days. Using extremely old libraries to manage storage I believe (or at least accessing storage). So they can't even actually develop a launcher for Windows. When I messaged then about it, they didn't care.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (10 children)

    I absolutely adore GOG for being like this, and for consistently applying pressure to publishers and other marketplace vendors alike.

    I just also have A Steam Library with like 1200+ titles, and it's measured in Terabytes. And butrot in my physical media will be non zero, in long enough timescale.

    I consider my continued patronage of buying games to be my subscription costs to the platform vendors. 🤣

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Bit rot is already happening to my PS2 games. MGS2 is completely dead for me now. Its a copy I've had since I was a kid when it came out.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    The only way to be sure is to save it on a quartz matrix. Only issue is it's read-only. Not rewritable ever. Once you etch your data into quartz that's it.

    Storage is amazing, though. All of human knowledge (so far) has already been etched into such a storage medium by the UN a few years ago. It fits in the palm of your hand.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Or... you could just follow the 3-2-1 strategy with normal drives and regular scrubs. For most purposes (including a game library) that's way better.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    GOG also has a 30 day refund policy which blows everyone else out of the water, and they've honored it the few times I used it

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Yes! GOG is absolutely excellent! For what it's worth, Steam Support from Valve can absolutely issue refunds past the two weeks window, and I've done it for me in the past if the request was justified. The inside two weeks window that everyone knows is just for a no-questions-asked refund as long as the hours count is below two played.

    I'm glad to hear GOG has an even better method of handling.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago (27 children)
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    GOG does not have a Linux launcher. There were some rumblings about focusing on Linux development when there was a change of hands, but we still have to see anything coming from that.

    However, GOG does host Linux builds of games where available.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Yes and no.

    GOG games run just fine on Linux, some native and some under Wine\Proton (almost entirely on the game's devs, but GOG does have their support program to get Wine working on older unsupported games).

    GOG Galaxy, their launcher app, does not have a Linux version. You have to download games off their website directly or use Lutris, Heroic, or some other third party management platform to manage them. The advantage of using a game manager--aside from easier monitored game downloads, automatic updates, and community features--is that they're usually set up Wine for you as well, which can be annoying to set up and use correctly.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago*

    I did not at all like using launchers back when I gamed in Windows, but I really got around to liking Lutris now that I game in Linux - it integrates with my entire games collection (including older titles from physical media), is not trying at all to push me to buy, buy, buy and it doesn't get in my way when all I want is to start a game and have fun (i.e. no waiting for store app or game updates).

    Also I figured out how to configure it to run my games sandboxed with networking disabled, so that's my default game launch config now. Can't do that at all with Steam.

    Finally, it's way more flexible when it comes to force the more stubborn Windows games to run in Linux (including the funny and more extreme case of a certain game that wouldn't run in Steam no matter what I did, but the pirated version wasn't that hard to get to run fine in Lutris).

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    GOG is just a storefront. The specific titles you purchase on that storefront may or may not offer Linux files.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    But gog makes a launcher and library tool. But not for Linux.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    That is GOG Galaxy. So, "Does GOG Galaxy support Linux?" is a different question than "Does GOG support Linux?", and the answer to that question is "no". But if you really need a local launcher software like that for some reason, there is Heroic Launcher, which definitely does support Linux. Though realistically, you don't need GOG Galaxy, Heroic Launcher, or any similar software to play the games. GOG is just a storefront to purchase DRM-free games. You can simply download those game install files using a web browser and install/run them normally.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, but if they dobt put any effort in, I consider them non supporting. They used to say things like working on it or coming soon. But they never did.

    So as far as I am concerned, they dobt support Linux.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    Have you ever even tried Heroic or Lutris as launchers rather than the store-specific launchers?!

    They integrate with pretty much all big stores so you can see your entire games collection (not just the subset for a single store). Also they're way (WAY) more customisable and flexible in how you run you game, so for example most of my games running in Lutris run behind a proper sandbox (firejail) with networking disabled (something that the No DRM of GOG games also helps make possible, as to be sold via GOG games can't require a network connection to run).

    Furter, the Open Source launchers don't care how you sourced some of your games - if you have it you can add it there and launch it, even if it's an old game with a CD installer or something you got from sailing the high seas.

    I have both the Steam Store App and Lutris and whilst Steam has a slicker UI and deeper integration with many games from that Store (for stuff like Achievements), using Lutris is IMHO a better experience, especially when it comes to supporting my entire games collection, what I have access from the UI to tweak to get the more stubborn Windows games to run in Linux (you can easilly change actual launchers - including but no limited to Proton - as well as seriously customise how the game is run), overall privacy protection and digital safety (the whole sandboxing with networking disable thing) and, curiously, even because games in Lutris launch way faster since unlike Steam when I launch a game in Lutris I'm not constantly forced to wait for the store app to update before the actual game starts.

    Things like Lutris and Heroic are done following an Open Source ethos (highly customizable, which also means you can get overwhelmed with options if you try and change anything from the defaults) and no trying to serve objectives which are store-specific (i.e. they're not at all trying to do what's good for that store, such as shoving adverts in front of you to buy more games or supporting high integration of specific games and a specific store).

    Whilst in Windows I actually tended to avoid launchers (literally installed GOG Galaxy once, checked it out and then uninstalled it), after switching to Linux I have come around to really appreciate Lutris. I haven't got around to appreciate Steam all that much - it constantly gets in my way when all I want is to enjoy the game (generally because I often start the game from a desktop shortcut and have to wait for Steam to update before the game starts) and it's a bigger hassle to try and tweak stubborn Windows games to run in Linux via Steam than via Lutris and, of course, there's the whole "can't cut networking for it" thing.

    Absolutelly, GOG's lack of support for Linux beyond just having Linux versions of some games available (which sometimes don't even work well) and the open REST API so that open launchers like Heroic and Lutris can talk to the store and fetch and install games directly, is a negative.

    At the same time, the Steam app is also an inferior game launcher versus Lutris and Heroic, and I suspect so are all game store specific game launchers since they're designed first and foremost to benefit the store, whilst Open Source game launchers are designed to benefit the user.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Again, has nothing to do with GOG. I have no idea why you are bringing up other launchers. Maybe to be helpful I guess? But its really off topic. Point is gog kept telling me they would do something for LInux, yet never did. My only OS has been Linux since about 2002. I have been a member of GOG's since 2010, so its not like I am against them.

    But what the heck I have some time:

    Open Source launchers don’t care how you sourced some of your games

    Steam doesnt care either. Although Steam also makes "sailing the high seas" pointless (as does gog frankly) as they are so cheap on sale.

    I suppose you haven't used Lutris long enough to remember how bad it was. Started out great, then It became nearly unmaintained, scripts were breaking, there were regressions. I quit using it a long time ago. Now people are questioning the devs use of Claude AI, so I think I will pass.

    Heroic on the other hand is pretty good, I have it on my steam deck. I don't use it much though.

    I disagree with you on Steam though. It is the easiest and simplest tool of them all. Remember when you could link your gog games to steam, so that was all taken care of?

    Really I don't want to launch from GOG galaxy, I just want to be able to log in, browse my library and download on any device. Like steam does.

    I often start the game from a desktop shortcut and have to wait for Steam to update before the game starts

    Yikes! I hate desktop shortcuts. So much so that I have my desktop set to not allow items in the desktop folder. In any case how long does it take steam to update? 10 seconds maybe? Its never frequent.

    Worth mentioning that Valve contributes greatly to Wine and Proton obviously (as does Codeweavers), and none of this would be as good as it is without them.

    GOG offering the API is a good step in the right direction of course. Their mission is even better, so don't think I am against them.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Kind of. You can install stuff like lutris or steamdeck plugins that connect to gog and download games for you

    The cover question is: do the games support Linux? And with proton, a lot of them do

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

    What does the "Linux" filter refer to then?
    https://www.gog.com/en/games/new?systems=linux

    Edit: I tried with a random free game. Provided was a shell script with binary data appended to it.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Native supported Linux games. Why?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    No, but they support MAC now. I had a little reactionary chuckle reading that. I know the Apple arm chipsets have been really good, and most games from gog are not very demanding, its just funny to me that historically Mac has not been known for gaming and they get support before Linux. Shout out to the Heroic Launcher Team.

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  • [+] 11 points 3 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    But why do you need a launcher though? Is it to play games socially or something?

    I just launch from the start menu. My issue is that there aren't enough Linux titles, but at least GOG is very good about marking Linux titles and making them searchable.

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  • [+] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, patches and updates is probably a good use case. GOG should probably just make a command line tool for Linux modeled after something like apt, with the difference that you need to log in to access your purchases. I think many users would also appreciate a curated directory of mods.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    There's this revolutionary new technology I guess the start menu gamers haven't caught onto yet known as "cloud saves" which make it a lot easier to continue playing games on different devices and through uninstalls.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I bring my home directory with me across installs, but I never felt the need to continue on a year-old save. Across devices I can maybe see, if you have both a gaming PC and a Steam Deck, but I think that's a fraction of players and I don't think I'll join that group any time soon.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago*

    I just made my first purchases from GOG a few weeks ago, and did it from a Linux machine. I believe it auto-detected I'm on Linux and said "Hey, this game does not natively support Linux" right at the top of the game's page, and even said "Hey, X games in your library dont natively support Linux" when I was at the checkout. As for the ones that did, it changed to saying "This game does support Linux" on the game's store page.

    Honestly, feels good to see this sorta stuff, but this is just each game on an individual basis, independent of GOG's launcher.

    Edit: Thankfully, throw in a smidgen of wine or proton, and it's likely all the incompatibilities are compatible.

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  • [–] 31 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Pull out disc with a game from 10 years ago

    Installs just fine and launches

    "Connecting to online services..."

    "Timeout: Retry? Quit?"

    Huh?

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    It's exactly GOG's thing that games sold there can't have any DRM, so this scenario is out. (Also, no disk with GOG games ;))

    Probably why you won't find things like Red Dead Redeption II (PC) in GOG, since Rockstar wants to force you to register in their systems to get your sweet, sweet private info. (Curiously, the pirated version has no such anti-consumer crap)

    In my experience as a gamer for almost 4 decades, the most likely scenario with a really old game is that it simply won't install or run in the OS version or even hardware that you have now, though give it enough time and somebody out there will have created an emulator or adaptor layer for it (like DOSBox).

    But yeah, any game from the Phone-home DRM generation which isn't bought from a seller which has No DRM policy (which only GOG has, as far as I know - even itch.io doesn't have a No DRM policy) will almost certainly have an artificially created end-of-life that has nothing to do with the OS or hardware you have being too new for the game.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    They sometimes also provide alternative versions of games. I was very happy to buy Kane and Lynch (1 and 2), but the co-op feature is missing (both local and online). I guess that part was licensed differently or something

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I'm already designing covers and checking what disc type is needed for some of my favourite games

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Optical media will eventually suffer bit rot and be useless. Save them to an old HDD, SD card, or USB drive, they'll last longer.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    If only they would post more stuff on Bluesky or even use Mastodon instead of TwitterX

    (Yes, i am aware they have a bluesky profile but they post less stuff on there, it seems)

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