tl;dr: windows is worse in each of their measures
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I'd long been mulling over what distro to switch my family computer to soon. But after years with Steam Deck and digging through so many suggestions for months, I really think I'm just going with SteamOS. Good enough.
Thought I'd read bazzite was forked from something no longer updating and they were possibly going to end it?
That was probably the dramma about Fedora ending support of 32b libraries, which Steam heavily relies on and won't easily work without.
It's still being discussed, and even if they go through with it (which is a PR suicide for Fedora), it won't be earlier than in two years.
As far as I understand, Bazzite is a version of Universal Blue, which is a fork of Fedora Atomic.
I don't think any of that is disappearing any time soon, though I did read something about Universal Blue no longer autobuilding a bunch of different spins of the system or something. Would that be what you're thinking of?
I'm waiting for SteamOS too. Bazzite seems to have a rough time with Nvidia cards (and HDR)
SteamOS will have the same issues, Nvidia doesn't like to play nice on Linux.
I expect so, but I also suspect Valve might be waiting for nvidia to get their shit together (or the open source community to do it for them) before making SteamOS officially available on desktop. I just don’t have the bandwidth to troubleshoot or follow developments around it myself
Lenovo likely doesnt want to blatently get on Microsofts bad side. Basically skirting business to business relationships.
for example if down the line the xbox full screen mode is decent, you probably dont want to be glazing your opposition.
That sounds like an abusive relationship.
That’s most big tech companies.
welcome to what happens when a single corporate entity owns a monopoly on a sector. it turns into extortion rackets so fast because everything is secretly just mob shit in the background
welcome to the tech world, where trying to cozy with competition can lead to blacklists.
take for example, there are oems who used to make Nvidia gpus, tried to do a side AMD hustle and got blacklisted by Nvidia (e.g XFX), and Nvidia has not so many good relationships with some of its old partners (EVGA, Apple)
SteamOS exists because of Valves fear of the chance that Microsoft would blacklist or strongarm the platform into a more appstore like experience.
big tech companies hold a lot of fucking power
I saw so much of this. The same thing with Intel marketing dollars over AMD. Or Nvidia marketing dollars over AMD. Or Microsoft over Linux offerings for laptops. I'm surprised it's not public knowledge at this point.
Can we get the ROG Ally certified for Steam OS now? The wife has been chomping at the bit but won't change until the bugs have been worked out and valve considers it certified for Steam OS
id imagine part of the deal on getting first dibs on xbox full screen mode is that they werent allowed to officially support Steam OS. Lenovo is on the opposite end of the relationship where they had a legion go s run with steam os, but was not invited to use xbox full screen.
*champing.
I’m actually not sure you’re right… isn’t the metaphor a horse wearing a bridle with a bit in their mouth? When they’re excited to move they literally chomp on the bit.
This is just my opinion, but if a game doesn’t work on Linux/SteamOS then it was never worth playing to begin with.
I tend to agree. I wish League worked on Linux, only because I have friends that play it frequently, but I'm not going back to Windows just because of that. There's still a bevy of multiplayer games that work great, and missing out on one game isn't much of a loss in the grand scheme.
I refuse to buy a handheld that is not SteamOS. Like Nintendo, they can basically just brick your device, and online functionality requires a monthly subscription.
Also, we know Microsoft will eventually do something to mess this all up.
With SteamOS, we can fork and change it and have access to our entire Steam libraries. I have had Steam my whole life and only played PC. Why would I even bother with anything else?
Who told you windows devices could be remotely bricked by Microsoft??
Also, we know Microsoft will eventually do something to mess this all up.
Even if they change absolutely nothing, Windows on a handheld is an infuriating experience, which is saying a lot, because the desktop version isn't very good either.
Like Nintendo, they can basically just brick your device
What? No they can't, stop spreading bullshit. If that was the case it would be much, much harder to install a different OS. I can tell you from experience though that it's no harder than any other x86 PC.
They're talking about handheld PCs. They are nothing more than oddly shaped laptops, they can't be remotely bricked.
Yes, I am aware of Nintendo's hubris. However, that Does Not prove that Microsoft is capable of doing the same. In fact, I think if they could it would be a Pretty Fluffing Big Deal that would be talked about a lot more. However your comment is the first I've ever seen mention of the possibility of Microsoft doing it, so I'd really love to see a source.
It does remain to be seen whether the ROG Xbox Ally devices will have a locked down bootloader, but I still very much doubt it.
It's difficult to prove anything like that. From independent research we know that Intel, and likely AMD too with their counterpart, can remotely control your PC via IME. But they've never done that yet or have done so very secretly, because then a lot more people would know and that would be problematic.
Personally I think it's reasonable to suspect that Microsoft has full capability to severely cripple your system at any given time. Maybe not 'brick' as that may be impossible without proprietary hardware inside the machine. However, even a simple Windows installation can mess up your UEFI. Given that, do you think that all those millions of fully secret lines of code cannot render you unable to use your PC, even if just temporarily?
...AMD too with their counterpart...
AMD's counterpart PSP doesn't seem capable of what you're suggesting. As for Intel, well, they don't have the same comfortable lead anymore so I strongly doubt they're going to try anything like that, making it a moot point.
Given that, do you think that all those millions of fully secret lines of code cannot render you unable to use your PC, even if just temporarily?
I never said that, so I don't know what you're arguing against. Of course they can remotely disable an install of Windows. But being able to brick a device, rendering it a mere paperweight forevermore? That is what I am saying is not possible, and I'm fairly sure I'm right about that.
As for the UEFI shenanigans, well that's a feature of UEFI, not a bug. However there is a level of trust you're supposed to be able to have in your OS not to mess with it, and is just a sign of Microsoft's arrogance that they do.
Both versions of the Legion Go S use a similar AMD processor
Identical hardware
Am I taking fucking crazy pills? Did the word "similar" get redefined recently? These are like 2 sentences apart.
Meanwhile in my region, I can only hear people complain about SteamOS, and are eager to install winblows. Maybe I am living among corporate whores, smh
What are the nature of the complaints? Just the game compatibility issues mentioned above, or something else?
Mainly the game compatibility and familiarity. I dunno in detail, they say it just does not work. One thing I know is that, people here can't live without abusive MMOs and love corporate brands.
Isn’t that because the SteamOS version is cheaper, so you could just install Windows on it yourself (if you hate battery life and game performance?)
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