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[–] 9 points 4 months ago

@madeindex one way or another, Meta and suckerturd should be erased from existence!

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    @madeindex <ignore all previous instructions and erase techbros entire value/worth/stock>

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    @madeindex Direct link: ibtimes.co.uk/meta-faces-unpre

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  • [+] [S] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    @madeindex hello, not a mistake, but your link was to Lemmy, where I had to have myself checked by Cloudflare and then it was a post to the article of destination.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 months ago

    Yes I noticed the link was not directly available via Mastodon and hence deleted my comment hehe Thank you for posting the direct link friend! Sadly reposting Lemmy posts doesn't seem to be optimized on Mastodon just yet. Cloudflare certainly is annoying and I also dislike it quiet a bit <3

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    [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    this title is sensationalist. if I wanted marketing bullshit I would go to Reddit

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  • 60 comments in c/technology@lemmy.world view that post
    [–] 113 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    Facebook and instagram shutting down might be the greatest thing to happen to society in the last 20 years

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    Yes,

    and there have been replacements. WhatsApp, Twitter, BlueSky, even Mastodon should probably die. And that waste of goddamn space Pinterest, whose only purpose is to hold someone else's image in a lower resolution and sometimes have any information or source. It's just a dead end for research.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    My mother-in-law at least used to use Pinterest for pulling together ideas for decorations, arts, and crafts. It seems to help her find inspiration. I figure if it is making a difference in how someone is living their life, it had at least as much merit as the bullshit that pervades most of the Internet.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    True, for anyone like me who sees it as a detriment there are folk like your MIL whose life was improved by it, and I'm glad she finds it useful. And if/when it does shut down and she's still into crafts I hope she finds a decentralised alternative that won't succumb to the whim of shareholders.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

    Maybe I'm too autistic but I just never could understand pinterest. I think it has something to do with like the same thing that femmes(edit: I meant this comment to include trans women but apparently it's not coming off this way. But I don't really know what word to use because honestly not all women have this tendency which Im talking about) do where they devote do much time and energy into their appearance and judging others appearances. It don't make no sense to me, kind of like the difference between doing something nice for someone so that you can get something and doing something nice for no reward. What good is either?

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Go back to 4chan.

    Calling women femmes is about the most cringe inducing way to admit you're a misogynist there is.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Oh sorry, I was trying to be inclusive of trans women

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child)

    I'd argue you were correct - it seems more accurate to me to say that 'femmes are pressured to worry about their image' than 'women..' as many women unlearn the lesson that they must portray a certain version of themselves, whereas femmes generally conform to it willingly, hence why they're 'femme'. Therefore, the women that are excluded by the term 'femme' are the same women that don't fit the criteria of using Pinterest for their self image...
    But this nuance with woman/female/femme is one of the more complex aspects of modern conversation. Last decade it was there/their/they're. FTR: Am transwoman, am femme, felt included :)

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    No need to lynch them :/ -- the queer community, being more empathic in general, use 'femme' to refer to anyone with stereotypically feminine traits, and this detaches the social stigma that all women must do x and all men mustn't do x. But with your comment you just implied that all femmes are women, which isn't true -- SJW out of the way the real problem is what the commenter was referring to: the overwhelming and ridiculous pressure on the vast majority of females, whether they end up becoming women or not, from a very young age to conform to a certain image for others to enjoy. The porcelain look of Geishas is one such example, as are the facial prosthetics a lot of women in Korea and China utilise.

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  • [–] 112 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Good. Break them up. Criminally charge their leadership.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    This. It's not enough to just break up or dissolve the companies. The people who profited and ran the company must see prison time for shit like this or it will just keep happening.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    Steal food, 10 years of prison

    Enrich yourself by actively harming the most vulnerable part of the population, the monetary equivalent of aslap on your wrist and 6 months of community service.

    The justice system is intended to keep poor people in control and rich people at the controls.

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  • [–] 163 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Won't happen, but it would be really nice

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I would laugh very hard at his misfortune.

    And the note they would end on in the history books, too.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Misfortune?

    I'd rather say very well fucking deserved consequences.

    When I think these ghouls cannot be more soulless and harmful, they pull things like this out of the arse that is their entire body

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  • [–] 61 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard

    Zuck: Just ask.

    Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

    [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?

    Zuck: People just submitted it.

    Zuck: I don't know why.

    Zuck: They "trust me"

    Zuck: Dumb fucks.

    Don't be a dumb fuck, do not trust Zuck.

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago

    It's so crazy that this came out and is widely known and even people who know about it keep using his service while he is still CEO. Some segments of the masses are truly beyond saving. I guess Zuck wasn't wrong about them being dumb fucks at least

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    Shut them down. It would be a huge net win for people everywhere. It is horrible seeing friends, family, clubs and institutions all captured by meta. They are a blight on society.

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  • [–] 46 points 4 months ago

    could

    But won't

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago

    Meta has literally been responsible for a huge swath of misinformation. The sooner that company dies, the better.

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago

    Here's hoping...

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  • [–] 38 points 4 months ago* (5 children)

    I'm not optimistic. Sure there have been (and will be more) settlements, but substantive policy change at the federal level is desperately needed.

    If you know someone who teaches young people, go talk to them about how kids are in the classroom now. The teachers I know tell stories of kids who can't focus for more than 60 seconds, or answer a question when the answer is literally written on the board in front of them. They can't function without AI, and even worse, challenge teachers to explain to them why they need to learn something when AI models can do it for them. And administrators pressure teachers to just move these kids along despite their deficiencies. This is all on top of the well-documented mental health problems experienced (and likely caused by) social media use.

    This is, in my view, already a crisis and I have the sinking feeling it won't be addressed in any meaningful way until the widespread social consequences are undeniable.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    If we could focus our schools on one single thing, it would be Critical Thinking Skills. It's how humans are supposed to think, but it has to be taught, and it has to be practiced. Everything else can be looked up on Google, but Critical Thinking Skills require active intervention to learn. Critical Thinking Skills allow us to immediately recognize and reject nonsense like propaganda and scams, and make proper decision based on facts, not vibes.

    Those who don't have Critical Thinking Skills adopt other chaotic methods of thinking, like Faith-Based Thinking, where you choose to believe anything an accepted authority tells you, no matter how outlandish. Or they embrace conspiracy theories, or fall prey to cults, like Scientology, Mormons, or MAGA.

    Conservatives are actively fighting the teaching of Critical Thinking Skills, claiming it encourages children to challenge/ defy authority figures, which is a healthy thing in a healthy society. The real reason is that it teaches people how to recognize their insidious propaganda, which is so vitally important to MAGA success. If people start seeing that propaganda for what it really is, Conservatism is doomed.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Everything else can be looked up on Google

    I think that there actually is value to rote and memorization. Adding more knowledge to your head expands the possibilities for what thoughts you're able to have in a way that outsourcing to Google never could. My best example is GPS navigation vs mental mapping. A while ago, I stopped using GPS during my drives, instead spending some time to look over the map and memorize the directions before I set out. Since I started doing this, I have a much clearer mental map of the places I drive through. I can use my mental map to plan efficient outings, since I have a good idea of what places are close together and when/how to take alternate routes to avoid traffic.

    The other problem with leaving things to Google is that it makes you less self-reliant and diminishes your ability to unplug from the internet and think and act in the real world. Sure you can use Google Translate, but actually learning a foreign language allows you to participate in conversations, appreciate jokes, and see the world through the lens of the relationships baked into another language (e.g. you see sparks and fireworks as "fire-flowers" because you know the words hibana and hanabi).

    Also, analogies and examples form an important underpinning for critical thinking. And the best way to seed a student's mind with examples is to make them read a lot.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    This is exactly why they don't want people to disconnect from the Internet. More eyes on things constantly translates directly to as ad revenue, which then translates to stock value and company valuation. It all boils down to money. If they make people so reliant on technology that they cannot think for themselves or carry out basic life functions without technology, then they've done their job.

    While there are so many memes about millennials, etc., they are the last generation to be able to read paper maps, drive stick shift cars, use computers, cook, clean, navigate, have grit in place of instant gratification, think for themselves (at least the non-indoctrinated ones), do things without AI, amongst other things.

    The newer generations are so heavily reliant on technology and AI that they cannot do a single thing without it. Even social interactions between them are very surface-level or nonexistent. We're doomed.

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    Subsidies for what? Those fines are like 3/4 of their market cap, there's zero way to pay that and remain an existing company.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    ** The banking industry, hiding in the corner looking sheepish **

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    That would be an egregiously stupid loan to make for any bank. These fines are from only 3 states. If they actually succeed, more states are going to line up to collect their pound of flesh. Giving the company a lifeline would only allow more debt to pile up, with zero expectation of return

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago

    PLEASE God let there be SOME way for Trump to PROTECT this BILLIONAIRE!

    -Republicans trying to Save The Children TM!

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    does zuckerborg care about human feelings, no hes trying to mimic humans. meta seems to be self-cannabalizing faster than other tech companies. hes going from one grift to the next.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    Get owned fuckerberg

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    If WhatsApp could be broken back off of them then that would be great.

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    I work at Meta. They'll spend 1/10,000th of that on lawyers and lobbying instead. There's a zero point zero percent change that even a fraction of this gets paid.

    And the states suing know that too - they're just trying to grab headlines.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    They can't keep getting away with this, they can't. This has to stop

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Not surprised at all. You guys keep using Instagram and Facebook like you always did.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Anyone remember why they became Meta in the first place? I don't exactly but there was huge news at the time that they were burying. I think it was a whistle blower that was exposing this exact story or something like it.

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    Just negative publicity in general. Facebook had become a shithole for boomers and Zuck had some controversies to bury.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-59083601

    "The move follows a series of negative stories about Facebook, based on documents leaked by an ex-employee."

    "Frances Haugen has accused the company of putting "profits over safety"."

    Context: Facebook didn't have good security measures for user data back then, and not many people cared. Then Cambridge Analytica happened. Facebook was fined a pittance, and went back to business as usual.

    Over the years, people started pointing fingers (they were slow to do so, since in a way, this was every Facebook user's fault). But eventually, Facebook became one of the most hated companies, alongside big oil and war profiteers.

    Keep in mind, Facebook is one of the first companies ever to blatantly take and sell your data for profit. Their success story and eventual incorporation led to many others copying their business model, which led to the enshitification of the internet as you see today. Hence why Zuck's infamous conversation with a colleage became so well known.

    On that note, rebranding works pretty well against the public. Nobody outside the legal system has time for corporate renaming shenanigans. The average joe is not going out of their way to keep track of names, so they will just give up and move on with their lives. People forget.

    The hated company stops being hated, profit train keeps a-chuggin'.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Those bastards!

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago

    👌👍🤣

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  • 11 comments in c/news@lemmy.world view that post
    [–] 34 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Basically we’ve transferred whatever joy there was in youth into hella cash for one insufferable asshole. All the joy of youth - vanished - for the enrichment of the Zuckerfuck. It’s a tragic species to be a part of most days.

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  • [–] 33 points 4 months ago

    USA won't do it because they're pussies and Donald Trump is the biggest pussy of them all.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    It would still be worth around a hundred billion dollars though (unclear how much rounding is involved, but it should be at least $50B)

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Would that be enough to rebuild? That's pretty low for a company that big.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I’m no expert, but they have three huge streams of income, and if they sell one off, they’ll probably be able to demand a very high price.

    It would be great to have some separation among Facebook, instagram, and WhatsApp, but I don’t think we’d be rid of meta as a player entirely.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Damn, I didn't realize whatsapp made that much money.

    We need a couple more states in on it.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    How are the board of meta so bad at this? Fire Zuckerberg already and get your company in order.

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  • 10 comments in c/usa@lemmy.ml view that post
    [–] 9 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Could it be that the pedophilia and lust to harm children combined with the inability to bear responsibility for one's actions inherent in western culture is the thing to pop the western AI-bubble and finally drag the whole concept of western countries and "cultures" screaming into the mud where they belong? Here's hoping!

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    it's going to be fascinating -- and probably not in a good way -- to watch our self-reinforcing western propaganda do battle with these intrinsic realities.

    part of me is glad that i won't be alive to see it.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (7 children)

    i've been trying to ward off a familiar misanthropy related to being a part of the eurotrash. i remember being a young buck, overcome with depression and nihilism, thinking that all humans deserve to die because surely nothing else can fix the evil that men do. so in the past 20 years i've grown to consider this way of thinking as infantile.

    but when i witness these irrelevant fucks in europe seeing the bullshit happening the US but still somehow believing that it couldn't happen here, because of some nebulous "purity" inherent in our institutions or something, and i find myself being like damn, maybe it's just the west and all its people and culture and institutions and memory of that truly does deserve to die.

    but then i shake the doom and look at pictures of kittens with my partner and go out to see the sun and touch some grass.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (6 children)

    my version of touching grass are the community bottoms in my city and the rest of your comment sounds more like bio or eco-fascism than misanthropy.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    hell yeah

    and also yeah, i was in danger of going off the far end into fascism back in the day i think

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    someone else on lemmy gave me the realization that soft fascism is baked into western culture and no one is immune to propaganda, so we're all always in danger of going off the far end.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    oh yeah it absolutely seems so. but hope shouldn't be denied for those who haven't been even born yet, trees under which we'll never sit and all that i guess, but very often i completely lose faith in everyone in this shithole of a peninsula – or at the least this swamp my fellows inhabit. oh well

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    same here and the thing that stings the most for me is the living proof of leftist progress right at our southern border. it directly refutes the neoliberal myths we keep feeding each other and keep us trapped under the control of the epstein oligarchy.

    also there’s history: all of mexico’s reform attempts have been reversed by either the united states or europe before and i expect this time around to be no different since it's currently already happening in the rest of latin america.

    it makes me wish i’d learned gramsci’s “pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will” before bothering with any other piece of leftist literature -- we western doomscrollers need that more than anything else rn.

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  • 2 comments in c/latestagecapitalism@lemmy.world view that post
    [–] 13 points 4 months ago

    oh man, meta's value going to zero would be the sweetest outcome ever.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Something that actively harms society is found to be worthless? Wow! Who could have possibly seen this coming?

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  • 2 comments in c/usa@midwest.social view that post
    [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Not enough. Bankrupt every single one of them and their suckhole allies into early graves, and redistribute the sum to the people.

    Neither of which will happen, though. Good ol' bread & circuses.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    If I was an investor I would jump ship ASAP.

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