Israeli authorities screened footage of Hamas's October 7 atrocities to Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg and other pro-Palestinian flotilla participants upon their arrival in Ashdod on Monday, shortly after the IDF intercepted their ship, the Madleen, in international waters.

According to Defense Minister Israel Katz, the activists refused to continue watching the film after seeing the brutality of the attacks.

"These antisemitic flotilla activists closed their eyes to the truth and once again proved they prefer the murderers over the victims,” Katz said. “They continue to ignore the atrocities committed by Hamas against Jewish and Israeli women, the elderly, and children.”

The activists were given the option to sign a voluntary departure form or face arrest after 96 hours. Among those refusing to leave is French MEP Rima Hassan.

Hassan has previously drawn wide criticism for her denial that the Bibas family, excluding Yarden Bibas, were murdered, her claim that the October 7 massacre was "legitimate" and her insistence that Palestinians in Europe should be allowed to join the "resistance."

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[–] 51 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Per Wikipedia, on October 7, approximately

  • 1195 people were killed by Palestinians, plus 3400 wounded
  • 1609 Palestinian militants killed.

In the time since, per Al Jazeera, 62,614 Palestinians have been killed.

Genocidial Israelis can fuck right off.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Did they also show her uncensored footage of what Israel does in Gaza? Because that would be just as relevant. She probably wouldn't want to watch that either, because watching atrocities, whoever commits them, is not something most people would want to do. So this is just a stunt: demand that she watches a one-sided atrocity video then, when she doesn't want to watch it, claim this proves she hates Jews. Which is obviously absurd, but that has never stopped the Israeli propagandists before.

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  • [W]atching atrocities, whoever commits them, is not something most people would want to do.

    This is the part about it that upsets me most. Propaganda is bad enough, but propaganda through attempting to force people to watch atrocities?

    I personally value being informed, but there is a limit to how much I can take before it becomes second-hand trauma. I can fault nobody for looking away from some of the cruel shit humans can do to each other.

    Don't the news feed us too much violence, suffering and death already? Forcing people to watch even more would be heartless without the propaganda angle while propaganda without inflicting psychological trauma would be despicable; combined, they're nothing short of disgusting and despicable.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    These antisemitic flotilla activists closed their eyes to the truth and once again proved they prefer the murderers over the victims.

    Children? No. Murderers.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    Being anti-genocide doesn't make anyone antisemitic

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They forgot they were bragging about Gaza being an open air prison before the attacks, and they forgot the history of their nation and their neighbors. Its never been a good time over there, fucken ever.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    This is psychotic behavior on the part of Israel. The message is "Don't want people to be murdered huh? How about you watch this footage of people being murdered?"

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We should kidnap IDF supporters and force them to watch hours of atrocity footage beret of context and if they refuse they are obviously in the wrong i guess.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Shitty, biased articles with excessively credulous titles like this should not be spread.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    "B-b-but they refused our whataboutism over genociding babies!"

    Fuck you Israel

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    wouldn’t the footage be of defenders coming in to boot out the invading zionists?

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    [–] 141 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Peaceful protestor held at gunpoint refuses to watch violent propaganda.

    As such, branded as hypocrite.

    Modern politics.

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  • [–] 112 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Is no one going to say or do anything about the fact that Israel illegally "intercepted" another ship in international waters?

    Also arrested for what? They weren't even under Israeli jurisdiction when picked up.

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  • [+] -18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

    All legal under the letter of international law pertaining to military engagement. That it is in international waters is irrelevant legally speaking. See the legal grounds for the sinking of Belgrano for a clearer example. As long as they can think of a halfway credible excuse that they think the vessel will cause aid to their enemy, they have the right to interdict it in international waters.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The Belgrano was a military ship, this one isn't. So even if you're right regarding military vessels, I doubt the same would hold for a civil one.

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  • [+] -12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Distinction isn’t made. A civilian ship could be conducting or supporting military operations (see Q ships, zelensky’s “civilian” container trucks etc).

    As with many things, it basically comes down to who has the bigger gun. Until a naval power pulls its finger out and starts escorting relief ships, Israel is at liberty to seize them.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Which halfway credible evidence do they have? They have none. The blockade is illegal so intercepting it is illegal too

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Their twisted argument is that the terrorists live among the people therefore any action against the terrorists also harms the people, and any effort to aid the people aids the terrorists. So aid = terrorism.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Tou said it it's a twisted argument. Nobody believe it so international law apply here

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    This is quite literally the plot to A Clockwork Orange.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    At leat in A Clockwork Orange the point of the footage wasn't to try to persuade them that violence is good.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    How did it end, again? I forget

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago*

    There are two endings. In both, the brainwashing treatment temporarily prevents the main character from committing violence.

    In the movie after he tries to commit suicide he wakes up in hospital and the effect of the brainwashing has worn off so he goes back to violence.

    In the book the government undo the brainwashing in a bid to get him to support them but he later loses the urges all on his own.

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago

    They refused to watch a propaganda video 🙄

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago

    "These antisemitic flotilla activists closed their eyes to the truth and once again proved they prefer the murderers over the victims,” Katz said. “They continue to ignore the atrocities committed by Hamas against Jewish and Israeli women, the elderly, and children.”

    They refused to watch videos of atrocities that aren't part of the videos, such as the murders of babies (unfounded) and mass sexual violence (unfounded). They must hate Jews. They certainly aren't protesting the genocide of Palestinians. It can't be that. /s

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    "Yeah, I agree, that is horrible. I am literally just trying to keep more innocent people from suffering and dying..."

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    "Lost its radio signal" As if we didn't have footage of them jamming

    "Blockade to avoid weapon delivery"

    "Ship carrying humanitarian aid"

    "These antisemitic flotilla"

    "The IDF prepared in advance to intercept the ship before it could enter Israeli territorial waters; "

    Enough said

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Well, those Gaza children shouldn't have committed those atrocities.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago

    Do they think the floridly theatrical condescension makes them look like the good guys here?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    So Israel is doing the „But they are doing it too!” thing

    Are we in kindergarten or what?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Are the Jewish nazis trying to guilt trip them into helping their genocide? Before you even say anything what's the difference between a free range cage and a cage? The comfort level of the animal. A lot easier to gun down when you say it's safe here

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You and I both know it's the marketing of the comfort level of the chicken but there is no such thing in reality under industrialism. Nobody is under a rock here.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Most people live in Plato's Cave and their entire reality is constructed by marketing.

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    [–] 31 points 1 year ago*

    "These antisemitic flotilla activists closed their eyes to the truth and once again proved they prefer the murderers over the victims,” Katz said. “They continue to ignore the atrocities committed by Hamas against Jewish and Israeli women, the elderly, and children.”

    Not gonna believe this hasbara rag unless they show unedited video of the flotilla participants not watching the tapes. And likewise for everything else in the article. 💩

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago

    There's no footage from October 7th that comes close to what happens in Gaza every fucking day.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Who's posting this Israeli propaganda

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    "Hostage refuses to be psycologically tortured by war criminals"

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Remember, kids, nothing Israel has done justifies October 7th, but also, October 7th justifies everything Israel is doing.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    This unlawful attempt at forced brainwashing is truly scandalous and absolutely intolerable with its repugnant double standards.

    No one disputes that the terrorist attack by Hamas was brutal.

    Nevertheless, this by no means justifies the genocide being committed by Israel. There are also horrific images of this, of starving children, cold blooded murder of civilians and unbearable suffering - and Israel is even using every means at its disposal to prevent the world from seeing the full extent of their own atrocities.

    If Israel were to adhere even remotely to international law and human rights, Thunberg would not be there.

    It is absurd that this country continues to portray itself as the victim. They are the perpetrators and responsible for crimes against humanity.

    These savages who represent Israel are truly the scum of the earth.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    No one disputes that the terrorist attack by Hamas was brutal.

    Lol what. > 33% active duty IDF soldiers killed. Almost no children.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Isreal knew Oct 7 was coming.

    Source: I know this sounds crazy but trust me

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    They did, it has been proven beyond any doubt because they openly admitted it. They also willfully ignored warnings from military officials. Also the pager operation was already in progress months before Oct 7 so they were planning all out war with the whole region for a while.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    wouldn’t the footage be of defenders coming in to boot out the invading zionists?

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