4Chan post: Picture of a bell curve with right wing extremists one the right, portrayed as stupid, centrists in the middle portrayed as smart and left extremist on the left portrayed as stupid. Reply: "That's not how a bell curve works you fucking imbecile"

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[–] 106 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Checks out, there is clearly more IQ under the middle of the graph.

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  • [–] 57 points 4 months ago (12 children)
  • [–] 47 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    Everyone is moderate... in their own mind.

    If you poll Democratic Party voters they will tell you they are moderate. If you poll them issue by issue most of them agree with Bernie Sanders, the most radical elected left-wing senator.

    I think it stems from a profound lack of political education and decades of political propaganda. People think moderate means 'sensible' and radical means 'unreasonable'.

    Of course most people think of themselves as 'sensible' or 'moderate'.

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Everyone is moderate… in their own mind.

    I'm not.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    I was using hyperbole to make a point. You're not sensible?

    I'm not a moderate either.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    If you poll Democratic Party voters they will tell you they are moderate. If you poll them issue by issue most of them agree with Bernie Sanders, the most radical elected left-wing senator.

    Let's be real here. Back before MAGA was a thing every Republican I knew, and I lived in the deep south so I knew a lot, liked Bernie. If the elite hadn't done everything in their power to kneecap him he would have swept in 2016 and we'd be living in a completely different world today.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago

    Bernie would have won and Libertarians would receive gov money for their party and campaigns on the level of Rep/Dems.

    My fav conspiracy is that Gary Johnson actually got enough of the votes to meet the criteria for the party to be solidified. But the powers that be couldn't let that happen and scrubbed his % just below what was needed. THEN they changed the rules again that a 3rd party would have to get more and prolonged support.

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  • [–] 47 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    I'm far more bothered by the left being in the right and the right being on the left.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    You think the fascists are ahead of the curve?

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    No one said your coordinate system needs to start on the left and point to the right. Whar if it started on the right and pointed to the left?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Gotta second this one, can start on any direction. But no one said this was a directional graph in the first place. Just a graph

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  • [–] -3 points 4 months ago

    Unless you are an Arab then it makes no sense to go from right to left. Especially for a graph without any axes.

    Ofc I have seen it in graphs that want to manipulate people, putting timelines backward to appear that things going good.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    The bell curve part is fine. It's the correlation between IQ and political orientation that is not. One of the biggest fallacies in life is that being smart automatically makes you a good person. It does not, and it also does not determine your political affiliation.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    This! If intelligence were to make you make good choices, intelligence agencies would have no employees.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Most of intelligence is simply having less morals than the regular person.

    We got this gal for possession of two joints, we're now forcing her to go undercover in a crack den where she could, and did, get murdered.

    We need to know how America built nukes. What if we just paid someone to give us the information?

    We need to know America's military innovations. What if we gave an incel a submissive asian GF?

    We need a brain dead yes man for China. What if we gave him a submissive asian wife?

    We need a mole in the CIA. What if we gave a guy a bunch of money?

    Are you willing to force a random woman to spy for you, whore herself for her country? Are you willing to bribe randos for intel? There are creative ways but sex and money dominate that field.

    Oh and I almost forgot. What if, for absolutely no reason, we paid hookers to sneak LSD and other drugs into their Johns and filmed it using taxpayer money?

    What if we knew about an international pedophile ring, a comically compromised individual who will sell anyone out for a buck. What if we had a heart-attack gun and did nothing with it, you know like just let a comically evil person just live their life. Oh, the rich murder pedo is running for president? Nah, we have no obligation to do good or protect America.

    For the most part, intelligence agencies are anything but. They are however, comically corrupt and ineffective.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    Yes and no. My first thought of intelligence agencies was in the direction of the NSA and its brothers and sisters. For the CIA part i am fully with you. Just a bunch of amoral leg breakers. But the NSA attacks on cryptography algorithms and the predictability of random generators do indeed need some great minds.

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    [–] 22 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I mean, take away the wojaks and it's accurate

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    All policies and political structures should be tested to see their influence on HDI, GDPPP, and environmental impact. Whatever improves people's lives should be kept and whatever doesn't should be ignored. Why have beliefs when we can have knowledge.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    There's a country that appoints leaders for 3-5 years, and then measures stuff like human health, gdp, poverty, and uses this information to determine where to assign them next, if at all.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    That's cool, who is it? The idea is this would be applied to everything, that is we don't need to believe socialism or capitalism or communism is a good or bad idea, we can test it and get measurable proof.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Because humans are storytellers, not scientist by nature. Better (and not necessary for plebeians) story, bigger impact. For example religions or money have diminished our freedom-loving characteristics to almost none-existence, but they sure are good concepts to knit us together to form a society.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    What about the far-center?

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I am gonna take a guess and say that he thinks y-axis is the IQ and x-axis is some other random variable like it is a scatter plot except it isn't.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago*

    Being high iq is dumb

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    The right side of the graph is showing my imposter syndrome. The more I read the more I feel like I know nothing. Liberal me and SocDem me were a lot happier and definitely felt like they understood everything more.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Opium and the dunning-kruger effect will do that.

    Do you currently feel like they understood everything more?

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    People who agree with me; SMART

    Disagree?: DUM DUMS!

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    [–] 28 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    Average right wing extremist I've met:

    Has never read a book, much less the Bible, despite being a fervent Christian.

    Average left wing extremist I've met:

    Has actually read books about leftist theory, is willing to debate and have their mind changed. The march I joined a few months ago was basically full of Political Science students from the local university.

    Tl;dr: the bell curve up top is accurate, minus the Wojacks.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    In the United States at least I suspect that there won't be many of the centralists because the way US politics works there isn't really a place for them. It's a two-party system so you kind of have to be one thing or the other.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    There is now a bigger shift where there are some very inept leftists whose dogma harms them (as the conservatives of the 70s/80s/90s).

    As well many more well spoken conservatives in the last 10 years. However that benefit is starting to wane and they now have a brigade of social media rhetorist as intolerable as the left.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Could you cite something? I haven't seen any of this, and I'm very curious to see where it's coming from.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    Think of the woke tone policing thing, 10 years ago "leftists" got upset if you used the wrong words while ignoring the actual bad things that were happening.

    If you said "Trump is a fucking retard" the left goes "ok" the stupid-left goes "you can't say that word! You're as bad as Trump because you said that word!"

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    "My source is I made it the fuck up."

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I suppose people younger than 20 didn't experience it.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    lmao, I think it is even more delusional to presume that there's people younger than 20 on Lemmy. I've taught people who don't even remember Obama's presidency.

    The problem is -- and maybe you are too young to remember this -- people have always just made shit up on the internet. I don't even know where the fuck you're going to find people who don't take issue with actual slurs besides chud and lib sites, Lemmy included, which are hardly universally"leftist" spaces (and it seems like you don't know the difference between a "leftist" or "liberal"). Who knows what fucking bots you're running into or what algos have pushed into your engagement based on your activity, I can certainly say I haven't seen any of the shit you're describing, even on actual leftist communities. You think "scumbag left" is what, new? You seriously think white, cishet men haven't used slurs this whole goddamn while even if they did claim to be socialists?

    So, do you have a source? A link? Any actual evidence that what you're saying is in any way emblematic of some sort of popular discourse or cultural trend? Or did you make it the fuck up?

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    What Anon felt like after posting that:

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    Anon failed successfully

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    It is how someone with severe Dunning-Kruger thinks a Bell curve works, though.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I have a BA in performing arts and a MA in film, I have no idea what a Bell curve does.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago*

    Well for the purposes of understanding this, you don't need to. This post is stupid for so many other reasons. Like any graph your axis have to make sense. You're plotting two pieces of data against each other so you need to know what those two pieces of data are and what their scales are.

    But here they're measuring IQ against political leanings. But that doesn't work because political affiliation isn't a scale any more then favourite colour is a scale. IQ is a scale, but the bottom axis is just nothing.

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  • [–] -3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    That's a comment from someone who thinks the Dunning-Kruger effect is real and not the result of applying statistics wrongly

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Fun fact, the findings were actually that the students thought they scored closer to the average than they actually did. As in, below average students did think they scored higher, but they still thought they scored below average.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    In whose fucking universe is MAGA considered a 'moderate right' position????

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Sad thing is that this is how most people view politics. This makes sprouts jump to the center when first engaging.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    That centrists have middling intelligence, but are the most populous, and far left are impossibly the smartest above others but very rare? I don't think most people view politics that way.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    I mean there definitely could be a chart that looks like this. But I doubt it does in this case. I'm almost curious to see what it would look like but I don't have that much respect for IQ as a measure of anything meaningful anyway. But my guess is there's probably not much difference between IQ across the political spectrum. Perhaps slightly increasing as you move left due to more educated people leaning left, and I would expect there would be some association between IQ and education.

    For an example of something that looks like a normal distribution but really isn't:

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Centrist is maga without red hat.

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