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[–] 16 points 4 months ago (5 children)

He says that it's a competitive disadvantage as if other countries already have policies like this.

And the German citizens who are so dishonest are the ones who voted him into power, so what does that say about him?

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    It was like that in Poland prior to the pandemic but now we can take up to 3 days of leave from a doctor over the phone. Doctor’s note could always be backdated up to 1-2 days. I don’t think we’ll follow Germany in this even though we have even more neoliberal government because private healthcare lobby is so strong and private healthcare providers are the most accessible ones that offer doctor consultation over the phone. We still receive only 80% of salary while sick so people are incentivised to go to work when they shouldn’t. Extremely short sighted policies all around.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago

    Psychopath does what he can to make life more difficult for others.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    That's going to be a nice boost for the next pandemic.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I thought Europe had good worker protection laws.

    In the US, I just tell my manager I’m not feeling well, and take a sick day. No doctors notes.

    Is this not how it works in Europe? Granted I am a salaried employee. I also work from home. So not hourly labor. Do these things factor in as well?

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 4 months ago*

    It can vary wildly country to country. Some have a small quota of sick days that don’t require doctor’s note, some require it for every day. Most started allowing getting doctors note remotely during the pandemic. Governments here generally take more interest in it because social security is usually expected to pay at least some part of your salary during sick leave. There’s also a separate concept of „leave on demand” / force majeure leave that can be treated similar to those sick days without doctor’s note (EU started to require it recently).

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    oh, I guess Germany has a lot of unemployed doctors, so they're making up unnecessary busywork to help them?

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I'm not sure I'm following.

    In Italy, if I get sick, I call my doctor that depending on how sick I am, will either send me an email certificate (that it's already logged in the national social security system at the moment they make it) or give me an appointment if I need to be checked. Normally, within the day, I send my employer that email and it's all done.

    Was Germany doing differently?

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    Essentially in the first few days you called just in to work and told them you are sick. No doctor ‘proof’ required. They had to trust you that you are. From the third day onwards you needed proof. So you had to go to the doctor and get it. Then they added during corona that you can call the doctor to get proof for smaller stuff like a common cold. Now they want to remove that all and sent anyone for anything to the doctor.

    Plus the doctors / GP already have enough crap to do and are super full we constantly hear in the news that we need more doctors who work the villages blah blah blah. So now the few who do will haven even more work. Also also they claim the old system had been abused by the worker to skip work. Instead of realising that due to corona a lot of people actually still stay home when they are sick and don’t drag that shit to work.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago*

    In the US I just call or email my boss.

    No one wants a sick person to come in and spread it around.

    I've never once needed a note from a doc, even when I've been out for an extended period for a surgery.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Saw this on the news and it mentioned the german guy comparing thier sick days to the us and how germans use twice as many. dude. us workers are going to work sick.

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    [+] 84 points 4 months ago (17 children)
  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    This was the one of the many bad aspects about my employers response to COVID. They required a professionally administered test to approve your time off.

    “Hey! I feel shitty and tested positive for COVID. I should rest and isolate at home, right?”

    “No, you need to go out and feel shitty in the public, so someone else can give you the same exact test.”

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago

    Yes, that will be the effect, and they won't be told to come back in two days, they will be told to come back in a week for a control visit, just to make sure they don't get overrun by people with migraine and gastrointestinal distress. This change will make the situation worse for everyone - Patients, Doctors, Businesses, Insurance - not better.

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  • [–] [S] 32 points 4 months ago* (13 children)

    It is almost like Merz is an idiot but Germans are too enamored by the smell of their own xenophobic, "superior" diarrhea from shitting their pants to see the obvious reality.

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  • [+] -12 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Maybe, but doesn't this seem super high to you?

    Germany ranks seventh for the most sick leave taken by employees, with an average of 3.6 weeks per year.

    3.6 weeks?

    We have 5 paid sick days here and 3 unpaid. I think I used 1 or 2 last year.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    The average is always high, because long time sickness drags the statistics up.

    It's not 10 people having the flu for 3.6 weeks every year. It's one person going down with stress or cancer for half a year without losing their employment.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah just seems high with Italy being at .9. Germany has 4x higher sickness? Or just Italians lose their jobs? And Romania with .1 week.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    https://www.datapulse.de/en/sick-leave-europe-comparison/

    This goes into everything about it. In short, the sick statistics actually only shows which countries are good at reporting it. The countries with the best coverage of pay obviously also report it better.

    Germany is straight in the middle of everything.

    The most interesting thing to notice is Norway. They have the highest average of sick days. They're probably not more sick than others, but because their sick days are covered 100% by the state, it's in everyone's interest to report it. And yet... despite of 19% of the workforce being sick on any given day... they're also the most productive GDP/hour.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Yeah Germany is in a good place and Germans are willingly sabotaging themselves because Germany is easy to manipulate when you tell Germans they are superior. That is my point.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Have you looked at any populist movement in the world? Anyone likes easy solutions and being told their often multiple fears/worries/problems have one definite source. That is the populist playbook and has happened again and again over hundreds of years, irrespective of actual systems of Government. I think that is something very human that can only be beaten with education, imo.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 4 months ago*

    The question is education of what kind? Education only about machines and their practical applications of their force? Or education about the humanities and art and why they are more important than the machines?

    Something The Magic Mountain captures in perfect tension.

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  • [–] 40 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    What? So you feel sick, like a migraine or so, and have to go to a doctor just to confirm it?? The whole world has gone to shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    I'm talking about this: you wake up and feel like someone dumped pile of shit on you. You call on sick and hope that it gets better. Here in Sweden we have first I think 3 days unpaid this way, after that it is paid for up to 6 days and for longer time you need to go to the doctor. This way you avoid spreading flu for example and overloading the health system.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    In my country it worked like that since forever... It sucks, since it comes down to you basically having to go to a doctor's office with a fucking fever. And ofc doctors office is overcrowded as-is so that takes better part of the day.

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  • [+] -17 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    German workers already have generous holidays, plus a plethora of EU and German holidays, and is anyone seriously sick 3.6 weeks a year? almost a month?? That sounds like a national health crisis.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    What do vacations have to do with sick days?

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  • [+] -8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    In US , workers use mandated sick days in place of pathetic vacation days and holidays.

    When the average worker is taking a month of sick days a year, they are just taking more vacation days, when they already have the longest vacation schedules in the world.

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago* (5 children)

    Feel sick.

    Call in sick.

    Get told to get letter.

    Don't get letter.

    Go back to work when well

    Get asked for letter.

    Go fuck yourself and fire me if you're going to.

    Any job willing to enforce that isnt worth working at.

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  • [–] [S] 22 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    Except when you go back to work you look over and see a coworker working who has three kids and you know is financially struggling and can't afford to get fired but they are clearly sick as hell and the whole office is uncomfortable...

    ...and then you realize... hopefully that simply personally rejecting this work environment isn't enough, you need to unionize effectively so that this doesn't happen.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    They need to fire the dumb fuck who made the rule, but I'm not sure what system they use there and how long they're stuck with him.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    They need to fire the dumb fuck who made the rule, but I’m not sure what system they use there and how long they’re stuck with him.

    'They' use a democratic system which means that usually they are stuck with the "dumbfuck" until the next election. Very much unlike in dictatorships where they are stuck with the "dumbfuck" for much longer while any critique similar to what we read here would be harshly punished as 'they' have no say.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    I mean I'm not an idiot, i know they use a democratic system, but there are more than one way of doing it, and they have differing lengths of service. If it was like Canada and they happened to have a minority/coalition government, you could potentially even trigger an early election if there was enough discontent among the people and other parties.

    Our last PM in a minority government had to step down after the party started to abandon him and that involved discontent from the populace (edit and then his successor) called an early election.

    Edit: That wouldn't happen in a system like the USA.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    I didn't mean to call you out. What I wanted to say is that although the system may be imperfect, it is better than in dictatorial regimes celebrated by Novara Media.

    This is a textbook example of selection bias by a propaganda medium. They single out 1 measure out of 34, publish "the West bad" tonality, and then hail autocratic systems like the one in China as the solution, although the welfare system and labour rights there are catastrophically worse. This is an essential part of disinformation warfare.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago*

    This system is in place in France and is extremely stupid and wasteful.

    This is going to kill people since waiting times increasing for doctors aren't just some benign inconvenience. And contagious people will have an incentive to go to work as well, which is what happens in France and worsens epidemics, which actually costs way more than the mythical lazy person who calls in sick to play video games all day.

    Are Germans going to fight back?

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    is this slavery? Forced work?

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Bruh, who voted for this guy. Everything this party does makes our lives directly worse. Is there anyway this gets blocked? I cannot believe everyone gets a worse life experience AND there's a tax break for the rich included in this and we're not fucking protesting in the streets.

    My first couple years in Germany were under the street light coalition, which had the traitorous FDP in it, but it was the first time in my life that political news from the government was always good. It was such an amazing feeling that heavily reinforced my choice to move to Germany for forever.

    Every month under the CDU has felt like the exact opposite. That freedom of worry, that feeling of constant improvement, gone. It's living in the US all over again. And with the radical policies being pushed by the AfD and the CDU courting them while also worsening the state of things to the point that the AfD have a chance of winning... Ugh. I just feel like there's a world where Germans keep voting to shoot themselves in the foot and instead of staying and becoming a German and fully integrating - and really changing my family's future from Ukrainian two generations ago to American with my parents now to German with me - I'm gonna have to move again to a different EU country that doesn't want to ruin their own future.

    God the Wealth tax can't come soon enough in the UK and France and hopefully everywhere else.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    I kinda deludedly maybe remember a time that we were at least told the world is heading in a direction based on science, learning and knowledge.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    I'm sick of mr merz, does that count?

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  • [–] -5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    This is bad, but Novara Media is using such news while at the same time hailing China for its policies, although Chinese social welfare and labour conditions are far behind Germany's or anywhere else in Western democracies. This is a highly biased anti-democratic medium in my opinion.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Textbook case of Whataboutism.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    There is a community here on Lemmy that tries to normalize biased media that favour China and other autocratic systems.

    I don't support this German move, but in addition to the end to phone-based sick notes, the German government introduced another 33 measures, including a €10 billion in income tax relief targeted at lower and middle-income earners. But Novara Media takes a single measure out of 34. This is a textbook case of selection bias.

    There is nothing wrong with critique, but there are good sources that explain the entire German package in more depth, and many of them are easier accessible as they aren't hiding behind Cloudflare as Novara Media does if I may say so.

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  • [+] -7 points 4 months ago

    Hey sinophibic idiot: Germany is irrelevant and China dominates it in every metric relevant to workers quality of life. Germany is a Zionist shithole. Take your China Bad shit and go home.

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