If they don't control it they can't accept it

And now they whine constantly about how woke the new Trek is and how much better the old Trek was because it didn't hit you over the head with such liberal concepts like racism, sexuality, or politics. 😂

Not to mention a black woman as communications officer on the bridge. All this happens within the first few … seconds of the pilot?

Roddenberry always wanted it to be moral plays disguised with prosthetics and effects. It's been woke since conception.

You forgot even having a black woman as a main character. Even if she was essentially just a space secretary.

where Pike occasionally slapped her ass and called her toots.

Omg imagine if it was tho

It become woke on 2nd season, episode one when they had a russian on the bridge crew.

Ursula K. Le Guin has entered the chat.

"Left Hand of Darkness" posits a human like society where people can morph between sexes.

tng had just that situation, genderless species that were oppressed from displaying a "preferred gendered. enterprise had one as well, but a alternative/biological version.

Sure. But that's not reality.

That's one of the reasons I've despised Section 31 almost from its inception. I don't mind the concept of the Federation having spies and stuff, but an out of control shadow organization who claims it's secretly running things is a little too X-Files.

Homosexuality cipher in Rejoined, holocaust in conscience of a king (hell, Kirk was written AS A HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR) , abortion rights in mark of gideon, disabled crewmembers, secularist society, vietnam on taste of armageddon, post colonialism and struggle for national indentiry in DS9, Far beyond the stars, "leave your bigotry in your quarters, there's no room for it on the bridge" i mean come the fuck ON fakeass fans deliberately being obtuse at this point

enterprise had a gender episode too, but with a 3rd sex, genderless in a complicated reproductive species(vissians).

The original series also features old the first interracial kiss ever televised.

It's always painful when "normal" people in my life complain about thay shit. Like my sister, she very nice and all and kind of "traditional" in a way, hard to explain. Holy shit, tye stuff that annoys her nor no reason. Sometimes i hear her on the phone going: ugh, yes, it has to be politically correct. Same with that gender stuff, right? I always think like wtf, you have two kids, you don't go out anymore, you live in a small town and you talk to like 10 people, why in the world does things like that bother you? Luke she even knows transgender guys, she went to school with a non binary person in the late 90, where no one even knew what the fuck is going on. She has two gay friends and a gay uncle and she likes all of these guys, but still rolls her eyes when a gay person is in a movie or they gender swap swap someone. SHE DOESN'T EVEN WATCH MOVIES. she doesn not care at all. I really don't know what it is, but i know a few people like that who have weird priorities in their lifes or what they decide to make a problem.

And "culture war".

It was shitty writing with zero subtly.

Kinda like the original Footloose where it introduces how strongly against dancing the reverend and town is and only later does it slowly build to the revelation his son died after a night of partying.

But the remake has to open with the party and deaths, funeral and banning dancing.

I got banned from one of the Star Trex instances for saying I don't like new trek.

It's not my fault the writing is shit. Try lasting for more than 3 seasons and then defend the show.

And I remember the times when Trekkies trashed Enterprise and Voyager as bad and the bottom of the barrel. I always got good and bad from every incarnation of Star Trek. Sometimes the good outweighs the bad like TNG and Deep Space 9 and sometimes it's the other way around like Enterprise and Discovery.

This, well said

exactly this, Kurtzman and the paramount executives were determining the type of content that was coming out of trek. sooner or later TREK franchise was going to run into problems with ELISION eventually.

In hindsight this is what cancelled the SG reboot again, the executives wanted more "audience", they got mad when the showrunners dint go thier way and cancelled the "new series".

the lens flare, the dark lighting usually hides bad props or cgi. the writing is also pretty bad. none of the characthers were likable or relatable because they were to "actually types". except staments and michelle yeoh, only because they were the 2 good actors.

I'll have a pint of order too.

that conservative version of woke is very different from the historical meaning. they co-opted it and bastardize to say the "n" word without actually saying it, basically they are too chicken to say the actual N word outloud.

That's probably a good way of putting it. It seems like there is a greater appetite for personal narrative driven drama in general of late. I prefer a more plot driven narrative probably because I deal with personal narratives more than I'd like to already IRL.

May I introduce you to the concept of allegory.

Their problem is stupid.

Oh, there's stupid in abundance in old Trek too.

I'm just posting a link to a search with no results. No reason

https://m.youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=star+trek+woke

That still subverts God's will.