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[–] 202 points 4 months ago (23 children)

another one bites the dust.

https://killedbygoogle.com/

306 entries now.

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  • [–] 88 points 4 months ago (19 children)

    RIP Google Play Music. Have yet to find another streaming service who's algorithm knew me so well to discover new music

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    there were two things i loved. one i think was called turntable, which let you and friends take turns DJing. you'd queue up a song and then after your 2 or 3 or idk i usually used it with the same group friends got their plays in, you got yours. i don't know what happened to it as we stopped using it.

    then was thesixtyone, which had great artist discovery. but they were not the best about getting licenses and lost their eventual IP lawsuit. after that they kind of turned into spotify. i've just been using my private collection since then.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (17 children)

    That one doesn’t make a lick of sense.

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    I am very confused

    I guess it’s a stupid saying… why is it more stupid than I thought?

    Al I’m saying is it makes no sense for Google to dump Google Music. It’s in their wheelhouse, it’s a natural fit for their infrastructure, it could have worked with YouTube.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago* (8 children)

    Ahhh, that makes sense!

    Your initial comment sounded like you were saying missing Google Music didn't make one lick of sense

    Not that google deciding to shut down google music didn't make any sense

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    I’m in the camp of “relying on an algorithm to serve you music it wants promote is an awful thing” but people have been trained that reliance on algorithms telling them what to consume is the only option.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    It can be a bad thing if you rely solely on it.

    But it's really not any different than finding new music on the radio.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I’ve been of the same opinion about getting all of one’s music from the radio since I was very young, as well hahaha

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    I don't disagree. My music preference was shaped by my cousin marrying a Mormon and giving me several CD spindles of rock music he wasn't allowed to listen to anymore.

    Although that was more of an expansion of my repertoire because I was already into nu metal as a kid.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    i mean, it's not that different from listening to the radio. they have the stack of stuff that the station has been paid to play, and then the stuff the DJ wants to play, and you have to get through one before you can get to the other.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Is not that: it's that there's so much new music that it just makes sense to use an algorithm to speed up the process of finding music you like...

    Without it most people just listen to the same thing they already know, or rely on a dj on the radio to pick music for them...

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    I mean, you're kinda describing what they actually did

    Google music was less killed, more rebranded as YouTube Music (but they did launch new app UIs at the same time that were missing various features from the old ones,). I've still got the same library of music I uploaded in Google Music that doesn't exist in their standard library, and you can still upload today.

    Being able to have my hundreds of playlists from over the years complete with all the obscure remixes and unreleased bootlegs on them, is pretty much the only reason I still use it over something like Spotify

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I've heard a conspiracy theory that says that the apps and services that Google dumps were experiments in data gathering and correlation. So basically they make a music platform like GPM, they use it to get a great music prediction algorithm, then kill the platform because what they wanted was the algorithm. They have money to burn so they don't care about one more tiny revenue stream or about making a great music platform.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    What would they use those algorithms for?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago*

    Whatever they need. Alphabet Inc. is made up of a dozen companies with thousands of products. There's always something that can benefit from such insight.

    The location data that Google collects through Android phones, alone, is mind-blowing. Just from your daily movement they can figure out where you live, where you work, shop, eat, drink, vacation. Indirectly they can figure out who your friends and relatives are, your partners, extra interests and hobbies etc. They sell all that to advertisers, there's a reason why so much of Alphabet revenue comes from ads. Then there's more complex patterns like traffic for example that they can sell to city planners and so on. And that's just location data.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago*

    YouTube music is just GPM continued without the ability to upload your own library.

    Interface obviously is different but they've done good refining it over the years where there's nothing I really feel like I'm missing compared to GPM.

    Also all the music I uploaded back ~13 years ago (damn) is still accessible in YTM

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    We all love to rag on Google, but this is such a nonsense website. Most of the things "killed" there are superseded by another product, like AI studio replacing Firebase Studio and Google TV replacing Chromecast. Then there's stuff nobody's ever heard of just to pad the list.

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  • [–] 85 points 4 months ago* (8 children)

    Tenor was quick, great, and optimal solution. I liked it.
    Google (Tenor) notified API Users around five months before June 30, 2026, the access restriction date:
    - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46628926

    Klipy is being offered as a direct alternative:
    - https://klipy.com/migrate

    Discord also migrated to Klipy about a month ago. Yesterday, I saw positive feedback in communities about Klipy's more accurate search.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

    Worth noting that while Klipy is headed up by ex Tenor employees, Google has also heavily invested in Klipy.

    At my community (The Gamers' Tavern) we ditched Discord (when all the age verification crap started) in favour of Discourse and Fluxer (Discord clone, but open source and self hostable) and currently Klipy integration is offering a sketchy and vague pricing model that is looking like it is going to include ads.

    So, that's the vein that runs through all of this. Google killed Tenor, funded a new startup that'll eventually likely be somewhere they can of course shove ads into.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Thank you very much for more insightful information! Google has always been a changer, not a talker, and appreciate them!
    Yet, may I ask why did you choose Fluxer over Stoat, and if the source of Google investing in it available?

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Source: Klipy themselves.

    Why Fluxer over Stoat, there is a lot to unpack here, but self hosting was much more mature and well thought out with Fluxer. Docker support was way beyond Stoat, and development is proceeding at a much better rate with mobile apps, integrations etc. We probably answer a lot of the questions here: https://blog.gamerstavern.online/innkeeper/about-community-and-communities

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Tenor was always slow for me and had shit search.

    I didn't know it was owned by Google, but now that I do it makes complete sense.

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  • [–] 40 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Heads up that there is a self-hosted gif platform I've been tinkering on, original repo is here but it was more or less abandonded. I've been adding to it slowly here: Gifable.

    The base repo was good, a selfhosted Gif hosting, but I needed more integrations so I've been managing my own fork for about a year. The largest one is a way that Matrix servers can integrate, so it now actually stands up a matrix server and can federate your gifs with other matrix users. The second item is adding Giphy support (I had Tenor as well... but guess I'll remove that), so you can alternatively search Giphy.

    I won't say it's polished, but if Tenor is leaving a sour note in your mouth, having someone else hosting would probably be neat.

    Screenshot:

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Pfft, "not polished". Looks way more polished than manually dumping shit into a folder on my http server. Thanks!

    Github sucks though, unreliable and headed to bad places. Considered mirroring or rehosting it somewhere with forgejo? Self-hostable, or there are some public options

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    This looks interesting. I want to host my own discord alternative but gifs were what I missed most.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Happy cake day! Yes San boat. Element was the closest thing I found to discord, but gifs were annoying. Getting this added to apps is the hardest thing, but it's mostly that how to I say "add this integration please" when it's only my one server

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  • [–] 36 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Whatever replaces Tenor needs to allow for more specificity in searching. If I search "lemur" and I see 3 orangutans, a chimp and a 12 gibbons, and maybe 1 actual lemur, I'm still happy to have simians, but I really needed a lemur, man. I was quite fucking specific in my search term. Had I written "monkey" but it showed me a series of apes, I wouldn't mind that so much.

    Also, "cat on skateboard" has fuck all to do with a poorly staged video of a dog playing Tony Hawk's Pro Skater with a set of gaming bongos. Again, glad to see it, but where's my skateboarding cat??

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    Google's search products are designed to NOT serve your desired search result. It will serve the most profitable result, FOR THEM, that is at least tangentially related to your search... Maybe. You'll likely click on one or you'll try a second search and engage with them more. Google profits, you lose.

    Google is a restaurant, the only restaurant that most know of. They have a surplus of hot dogs, but they used to serve hamburgers. You have a reasonable expectation that they'll have hamburgers. You order a hamburger and you get an hot dog with cotton candy on it. No refunds. You can try to order another hamburger, but the next could be a hamburger or a balloon filled with toilet water. Most will just eat the hot dog unfortunately. Reinforcement, they will continue.

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    [–] 32 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    I bet they will introduce a sloppy AI gif generator

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    powered by grok, so you're running a risk every time you use it

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    running a risk

    Your comment made me think of something I had not considered.

    Somewhere in this AI image generation infrastructure, there must be some poor asshole who has to look at whatever is made to say its OK or not. Which has to be at least as traumatic as doing the same thing for facebook or any site that has censorship. Or do they use the AI to vet the AI which causes issues like you describe?

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    “AI” CSAM detection is over a decade old, and apparently very accurate.

    It’s oldschool machine learning. Image hosts had no choice but to develop them.

    And legal authorities gave them access to datasets to make the detection models.

    I think Lemmy uses it. And it’s indeed implemented on “modern” AI sites like CivitAI, and very effective. If it’s ineffective somewhere (like Grok?) that means the owners are total idiots and should be sued.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    I'm a somewhat old timer on the internet, I know free speech absolutists like Musk way too well. Free speech absolutism often includes "legalizing all recordings of crimes", and not understanding why non-consensual porn is bad, thus a lot of them support real CSAM. They are also the reason why free speech nowadays has a bad name, as it mainly was for privileged people and their supporters, and often included "negative freedoms", because criticism might force someone to self-censor, but of course not for them.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (5 children)

    honestly the best use of AI image recognition is to recognize illegal content. that spares humans the trauma. but you have to have a database of illegal content to train it on, so it's a catch-22. also AI (LLMs in particular, so it'd need to be some other kind of ML program) is notorious for being wrong a lot. which means it still needs more human supervision than an AI that does its function properly.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah that last line is what I was picturing. Ive messed around a little with AI chatbots and the amount of things that I know from my professional life that it got wrong was pretty astounding.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    which is why they just want you asking general shit. they know if you ask specifics that you already know the answer to, it will answer wrong a hell of a lot of the time. if you're an expert in the field, you know that it's wrong. if you're not, you just shrug and accept it.

    which is why i get such a good chuckle out of vibe coders. that's their field. they should be able to recognize that the work the LLM puts out is shit.

    i really don't want anyone to be an expert in recognizing CSAM though. ideal worlds and shit.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    On March 27, 2018, Tenor was acquired by Google. The company has continued to operate as a standalone brand.

    Wikipedia

    Huh, well if you couldn't see a way to make money with it, maybe you shouldn't have bought it...

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  • [–] 35 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    At this point, anyone that relies on a Google service is just asking for trouble.

    Yes they will kill off the thing you have grown reliant on, and so you're better off to avoid anything with google

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    That's kinda been Google's standard operating procedure from the start. Anything they get bored with, they bin. I have refused to adopt any of their tech for a long time because I watched them shutter good products all the time. They are too stochastic and too unreliable to trust with any important data.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Love seeing how it seems like these tech giants are starting to try to fuck each other up. This will be fun.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago

    Discord needs to offer a setting that you can pick which gif hosting website you want to search. GIPHY results are fucking ass cheeks.

    I’m literally just keeping a browser open with tenor and manually copying the gifs over to discord.

    I wish it would at least let me switch from GIPHY search to anything else.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    i remember tenor search results were freaky/crazy

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    RIP a large chunk of memes.

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