My (millionaire boomer) Uncle from Mexico recently shared this (sorry for quick translation using gemini). There are brainwashed people everywhere
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In the US, we are under a massive oligarch-owned far-right propaganda machine that dominates social media and television viewership.
It works so well that rich people in other countries are trying to adopt the same model as a means of popular control.
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Recently my lead hypothesis is that many people would rather personally suffer and die if it means that black people have it worse. I read "dying of whiteness" recently, and it's haunting. "It's socialism" is just a coded way of expressing that.
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They are also absolutely floating in oil wealth.
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To admit that other countries do better would be to violate the dogma of American exceptionalism. It would be to offend the fragile egos of the most brainlessly egotistical among us. And I guess ultimately they think their feelings matter more than their own wellbeing.
If socialism "never works" I'd say it's in the same boat as democracy.
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Aren't they both dead now?
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That tattooed walrus moron has always repulsed me on a visceral level.
Half the time I have this argument IRL, they go mask-off and say it's because of race.
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It's more like 30%, the rest of us would gladly take a standard of living boost. But FoX News, OANN and every other disinformation factory have brain washed a lot of people.
Its not the welfare policies its the tentacles in the global south and the violence that keeps that in place
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Norway is just a capitalist country with strong welfare policy undoubtedly
Norway has oil. It's horrible example because other states don't have resources to build massive national wealth fund to finance all the welfare
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The far right thinks Norway is "communist". The far left thinks Norway is "not capitalist".
Both are wrong.
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The centrist American perspective is that we're the richest, strongest country in the world with deep-rooted systemic problems that are destroying us and that absolutely nothing can be done about it.
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If 80% are having the debate is that 40% advocating socialism? Please let that be the case. We Europeans keep getting news items to suggest 80% likely hate any form of vote for welfare systems.
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Speak for yourself. I've been a socialist most of my adult life.
I'm just stuck living in a country where 99% of voters are lesser-evilists and just kind of ignore where that gets us. At least, they did until they started starving and had to start living out of their cars. Socialism is looking pretty good now that capitalism spat the centrists out.
4th caption should be on hat guy, not mustache guy
What I love are the tankies that are absolutely repulsed by Norway, Sweden and Denmark. They REALLY don't like socialism that way lol, for reasons I cannot fathom.
I asked them to show me another example of socialism working that well and it didn't seem to make them happy lol
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Norway is a bad comparison. It has a more homogenous population, a different culture, no state system, and has a very large oil fund.
Norway's oil trust, formally known as the Government Pension Fund Global, is the world's largest sovereign wealth fund, managing over US $2 trillion in assets. Established to safeguard petroleum revenues for current and future generations, the fund invests heavily in global equities, bonds, real estate, and renewable energy.
A better comparison might be Germany or Britain.
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Most Americans oversimplify every issue to being afraid of commies hiding in the bushes like they did in the 1950s. The major differences now are a much shorter attention span and much more superficial analytical process - spending as little time as possible taking in information before making an immediate value judgement and mentally swiping left or right.
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