So then why are they banned in federal buildings? If they are not dangerous allow them everywhere, hypocrites
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If it's private property can't the property owners just put up signs?
Yep thats literally all they need to do. This bill just means if theres no signs you can walk in a public place without first tracking down who the owner is and getting expressed consent from them.
Edit after re-reading the opinion a few times: Im pretty sure it doesn't necessarily have to be a posted sign either. Roberts mentions carriers being welcome UNTIL consent is withdrawn. A buisness owner should be able to withdraw consent multiple ways; signs, publicly avaliable rules that may or may not be visually posted, or even verbally telling someone carrying is not allowed. If im interpreting correctly, I believe the majority is trying to say that you just can't get in trouble for going in without first asking consent, but as soon as consent is known to you to be withdrawn, you're still liable to follow those rules. Similar to if you were tresspassing somewhere that had no signs posted; no immediate trouble as long as you respect the owner should they inform you and ask you to leave.
In Poland, if you have a gun permit (which is hard to get) you have to follow many rules to carry it like you can't drink alcohol if you have your gun on you or you have to wear lose clothes that cover the gun. This is common sense but it also makes carrying a gun inconvenient (no beer and long shirts even during summer) so that people only carry them if they have to, not for fun. Requiring consent does the same thing: it's inconvenient to ask for consent all the time. Since Supreme Court is abolishing all the laws states can use to regulate guns they have to look for solutions like that. Small rules that limit the number of guns in the public places a bit. By abolishing all those rules the SC is just doing the bidding of the gun lobby and making sure people buy as many guns as possible.
It's corruption, that's all there is to it.
I guess in addition to "No soliciting" my front door sign will also have to say "No firearms".
Not an expert in all the laws in Hawaii or the technical way this ones written, but this seems to target places that do buisness or are otherwise open to the general public. It would be much less of an undue burden to locate the owner of a private residence before entering and obtain consent, since you kind of need that to enter a persons home legally anyway. If Hawaii rewrote this law about private houses, Id be pissed too if they overturned it.
In the absense of that law existing though posting 'no guns' will likely be necessary as people can't follow rules they dont know exists.
In Texas there is a law that only LEOs can carry in an establishment that makes 51% or more of its revenue from alcohol sales, and other businesses can post that firearms are not permitted. I’m curious how this ruling squares with those laws.
Because this law is about places that do not have signs. It's the question of, "I have a gun and want to go into a store, but there is no sign saying "no guns" and I can't find the owner. Who do I talk to so I can get agreement to come into the store?" This is not banning "no guns allowed" signs. It's about having to ask permission of a person who may not even live in the state to enter a place that the public is allowed to enter.
but the Texas law means you have to locate the owner AND ask for detailed sales records to determine if a business makes more than 50% of its revenue on alcohol.
I fucking hate people in this country.
Like "leave the gun in your fucking car you freak" isn't an option?
I totally agree. I'm just saying the ruling isn't insane. The people who feel like they need to carry a gun everywhere they go might be insane, but having a law that says a person can't enter a public space without checking for permission to follow their constitutional right isn't a good law.
This is to give coverage to ICE terrorists and January 6th Confederates. Bluehaired radical leftist transfolk, or anyone of decent character, should respond in kind.
Writing for the majority, Justice Samuel Alito held that Hawaii had flipped the common-law rule under which anyone, including those lawfully armed, may enter property held open to the public unless the owner withdraws consent. By requiring affirmative consent for firearms specifically, the Court reasoned, the state imposed a “new and significant burden” on permit holders, who would otherwise risk criminal liability merely by entering gas stations, restaurants, grocery stores and other everyday businesses without a posted welcome.
So, either we're allowed to bring guns anywhere including federal buildings, or guns are only allowed to be blanket banned from buildings.
He said 'Unless the owner withdraws consent' that does not mean everywhere or nowhere. You dont have to look hard for honest critisicm of Roberts but pretending like hes saying there are no more gun free zones isn't helping, its misinformation.
The Hawaiian law was withdrawal of consent though.
Gun owner: "Can I be here with my gun?"
Business owner: "No, weapons aren't allowed here. Leave it in your vehicle."
Roberts: "UNDUE BURDEN"
The undue burden was finding the owner and asking him, not putting the gun away. If the place has posted rules about not allowing guns, then it is still a gun free zone. That has not changed and is stated in the article. If an owner verbally says its a gun free zone then you still have to comply as well. Its the same way you cannot get in trouble for tresspassing places where there are no signs posted, but if asked to leave upon being informed you are indeed tresspassing, you still have to leave. This is what Roberts means when he mentions the owner withdrawing consent. This ruling is fairly consistent with the precedents set throughout US law. It simply says you're allowed to be there until someone makes it know to you that your are not, instead lf having to assume you are allowed nowhere.
I don't think it realy actually has much to do with guns. It's about privacy. Something the Supreme Court has been trying to murder for the last 50 years.
Don't get me wrong, I do see the gun owners arguments here. What's wrong with putting up a sign? That's a legitimate point. But the law itself and the Supreme Court challenge brings it into a different Realm. If the owner of a private domicile or business wants it to be different, they want to have individual decision making on a case-by-case basis, why shouldn't they? It's their private home or business and they can do what they want shouldn't they?
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