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[–] 164 points 4 months ago (45 children)

Also 50, 70, and 100 year sentences for people who were protesting against ICE in Texas

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  • [–] 40 points 4 months ago (34 children)

    What are the chances that these people will get pardoned, etc, when(if) normality returns?

    Also what's the chances that the judge who handed down these long and unfair sentences will get any repercussions for being so obviously corrupt?

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  • [–] 44 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Honestly 50/50

    You can't really bounce back from the bullshit that has just ensued immediately, it's also kinda apparent to your average leftist that the democratic party is kind spineless as fuck when it comes to the right, so to have judges IN TEXAS MIND YOU bounce back from their previous decisions? Not gonna be too easy

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    it's also kinda apparent to your average leftist that the democratic party is kind spineless complicit as fuck when it comes to the right, so to have judges IN TEXAS MIND YOU bounce back from their previous decisions? Not gonna be too easy

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (23 children)

    Sanders joined ABC News’s “This Week,” where host Jonathan Karl asked if there was anything Trump has done right.

    “I think cracking down on fentanyl, making sure our borders are stronger,” Sanders replied. “Look, nobody thinks illegal immigration is appropriate, and I happen to think we need comprehensive immigration reform, but I don’t think it’s appropriate for people to be coming across the border illegally.”

    While the senator agreed with Trump on strengthening the country’s borders to protect citizens, he disagreed with the president’s mass deportation plan.

    “He wants to deport 20 million people who are in this country who are undocumented,” Sanders said. “Well, you do that, you destroy the entire country.”

    “Because I got news for you, Trump’s billionaire friends are not going to pick the crops in California that feed us. They’re not going to work in meatpacking houses,” he continued. “That’s what undocumented people are doing.”

    Given that this is as far left as US politicians get, I'd say unlikely.

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  • [–] -3 points 4 months ago (20 children)

    ...What's wrong with his position, exactly?

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    Because people are not ‘illegal’ for crossing an imaginary line on a map.

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  • [–] -3 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    Where did he call anyone 'illegal'?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (12 children)
  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (11 children)

    Literally no where in the quote or article linked was anyone called "illegal." He referred to people as undocumented, if that's what you mean? Can you not read?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (10 children)

    “Look, nobody thinks illegal immigration is appropriate,"

    Does it hurt to be that stupid?

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (9 children)

    "Illegal immigration" is the act of migrating into a country in violation of that nation's immigration laws. It does not describe people, but an act.

    On the other hand, there is no such thing as an "illegal immigrant" and no where in the article text, Bernie's words or otherwise, was there purported here to be so. Again, please point to me where anyone (read: a person) was called "illegal."

    In summary: you should not accuse others of being unable to read when you clearly cannot do so yourself.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Brother, the people doing the illegal immigration are illegal immigrants. Do you not understand that, lol?

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    You've either lost the plot or are a troll. Have a nice day.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Yeah I'd run away too. Bye bye!

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    Can I just ask you a question and maybe get an actual answer? Like, why are you here? We could have had an actual conversation, but you're just trying to get a rise out of me for literally no reason. What's the point?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (4 children)

    I'm not trying to get a rise out of you, he literally did use the word illegal, in relation to illegal immigration, which entails illegal immigrants. I'm sorry for being a bit of a dick about it, I'm generally very polite, and I find the anonyminity of the internet makes me quick to anger.

    That's my bad, I'm sorry.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    No worries. Let's just be chill lol.

    I will say, I think you joined an argument to argue something no one was talking about.

    athatet@lemmy.zip said Because people are not ‘illegal’ for crossing an imaginary line on a map. to which I responded, Where did he call anyone ‘illegal’?

    No one is arguing about using the word illegal, but specifically labelling people as illegal. A person cannot be in and of themselves illegal, but they can illegally migrate. That's the discussion. athatet seems to have mentally lumped me in with a group of ideologies of which I do not belong. I actually agree with athatet here and I was trying to show that we're on the same page on this.

    You barged in here on a completely different tangent for no reason swinging in full force derailing that. Maybe you yourself call undocumented immigrants "illegal immigrants," but that's a whole different discussion.

    Anyway, hopefully that helps clarify my position and doesn't come off confrontational at all. Thank you for your good faith response, I actually really appreciate it.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    A person cannot be in and of themselves illegal, but they can illegally migrate.

    Which makes them what? An illegal immigrant, lol.

    I'm just trying to clarify that Bernie isn't as left as he seems to the American audience. He's still a democrat, he still is American. I am trying to be good faith here, I admit there is some extrapolation that has to take place here, however, it isn't a stretch.

    I did barge in, I've kind of made that my thing here, lol. The name is supposed to be ironic. I use this account to let off steam, like I said, I'm very polite in person!

    I hope you have a good weekend, dude!

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    "cracking down on fentanyl"

    The War on Drugs is well-documented to be a racist pretext for mass incarceration and violation of 4th Amendment rights, etc., (see The New Jim Crow for example), so Sanders is either a useful idiot or complicit.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    I mean, yeah, if you're punishing people for consuming the drugs directly, 100%. However, Trump's focus has been more on preventing fentanyl from entering the country.

    Unfortunately, he's still an idiot since the US's own pharmaceutical companies are the primary culprit and he's just using Mexico as a scapegoat, so yeah, you're not wrong lol.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    I really love what you've contributed to the conversation, "Nonconfrontational".

    "You removed, or stupid?" and "Can you not read?" are very informative, thank you for posting.

    Guess I shouldn't be too surprised by someone from lemmy.ml, though.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Unlikely. The US executes people when there's so much new evidence after sentencing pointing toward them not being guilty that the original prosecutors plead for them to not execute. The Dem establishment's complaints against ICE are mostly just procedural; they just argue for things like more transparency for these detention centers, not their abolishment.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    A full pardon? Maybe for some of them, especially the zine guy, but the guy who actually shot the cop, unlikely. No democrat would want the optics of that.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Cop shot first. The guy who shot him did so in community defense.

    In fact that cop may have given the shooter's attorneys an argument to revisit Harlow v Fitzgerald, and hand the SCOTUS the full text of §1983. They were given, unknowingly, an illegally edited text in 1982 when Harlow v Fitzgerald established Qualified Immunity, which is illegal according to the full statute as recorded in the 1871 Congressional Record.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    the US is now soviet russia. the whole western world is sad :/

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  • [–] 37 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    The US has more prisoners than any country to ever exist. You've been worse than the soviet union for basically all of your history in those regards.

    Edit: Plus it's baked into your constitution that those prisoners are perfect for slavery. You never stopped using slave labor in the entire 250 year history of America.

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  • [+] -7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I mean to give full context, that protest did end with a cop getting shot.

    But the sentences are still wildly excessive including 30 years to someone for carrying a box of magazines.

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  • [+] 20 points 4 months ago* (2 children)
  • [+] -6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I know reading comprehension is not great on this site, but I'm in no way shape or form making an argument the protestors were in the wrong. Literally just providing context.

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  • [+] 7 points 4 months ago* (1 child)
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    It's not in any way a justification. In fact the language is deliberately neutral as not to imply the protestors did anything wrong (which they didn't) a protest happened and a cop was shot. Just stating objective fact, because that is a crucial detail the the other commentary left out, which makes their comment sound like they arrested and sentenced these people purely for protesting. (Which they kind of did, and the cop being shot was just their justification, but that's besides the point)

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  • [–] 58 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I feel like the guy who got 30 years for picking up a box of zines is a much better example here.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago

    Even then, there is no comparison for the brutality of beating a man into brain damage and shipping his dying body home.

    Maybe something close would be the ICE detainees who suffocated? But you could argue that is the result of incompetence not malice.

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  • [–] 48 points 4 months ago (20 children)

    We live in a fascist country now.

    "But there's no mass graves."

    Not yet. And it doesn't matter. There isn't just one flavor of fascism. There isn't just extreme fascism or no fascism.

    This is a facist nation because it is behaving like a fascist nation. And it's not going to get better unless voters start being more responsible. And it might even be too late for that.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    The idea that we have to wait until the worst cas scenario actually takes place before doing anything about it is ridiculous. We have seen all of this, many times before. We already know where it leads, unless it is stopped. We don't have to wait, just because the people who benefit by that waiting demand it.

    We don't have to do what the worst people in the world demand. We've seen how this exact scenario leads to death camps, and the wholesale slaughter of millions. We have the people in place who think that's a good idea, and they have already built and are populating concentration camps with cremation facilities. Do we have to wait until we smell roasting flesh from the smokestacks before we do anything? Are we going to accept their excuses when they claim they are only burning the bodies of those who died "natural" deaths? In a concentration camp?

    We already know where this leads, every time. We don't have to make them prove it, and we don't have to accept their lame denials, or their rationalizations. We know what they want, and we see them moving quickly and decisively in that direction. We don't have to wait until it actually happens before we stop them.

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  • [–] 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

    "There are no mass graves"

    Ask the hundreds of people who entered ICE internment camps and never left. Alligator Alcatraz. 2/3rds of the 1,800 people "disappeared"

    https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/09/25/men-lost-from-alligator-alcatraz/

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    The article does not support your statement. Even if people have gone missing, the author doesn't allude to a mass killing. I'm all for exposing ICE, but I'm also against creating misinformation or fueling rumors.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Concentration camps were discovered in 1945 I think. Fascists don't care that you have no proof. They kill people and appease you with lies.

    You're at the step where the murders are still hidden. Next step is when they're justified. Oh wait, it's already happening when people are killed in the streets for opposing ice. Next step is more people join the ranks of the great enemy of the inside. And at some point, either you agree with all the killing, or you shut up because talking puts you on the wrong side of the government guns.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago*

    You don't need to recap the Holocaust to me just because I'm saying stop spreading rumors. I'm not saying don't be alarmed, or angry, or to stop fighting. As much as I'd love to accuse ICE of some heinous shit, all we know is that some people are missing and they're lying. If you read the article you'll realize one of those people was found here in Mexico.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Every fascist regime was established in democratic elections. No fascist regime was overthrown in democratic elections.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Every fascist regime was established in democratic elections

    This feels questionable at best--- there's a lonnnnnggg history of rulers in countries prior to democracy

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Fascism is less than 100 years old.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Simply not true. Not all fascist regimes came out of elections. Many, many governments arose from coups, usually military.

    You can't shift a government from Democratic to fascist, if it was never democratic in the first place.

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  • [–] 44 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Someone got 50 YEARS for protesting ICE

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Two people who weren't even there, who never discussed the illegal acts, who were only in a group chat where people discussed attending a legal protest, were sentenced to 50 years.

    But they were trans women in Texas. So the jury had no problem sending them to a men's prison without any crimes being committed.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago

    A life sentence for protesting.

    This is America.

    Our Constitution is effectively over and a frightening percentage of Americans aren't even aware, or don't even care.

    Personally, I'm crossing my fingers for Balkanization. Staying chained to this sinking ship is not wise.

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    [–] 44 points 4 months ago

    Those floating paint chips are worth thousands of dollars! Or rather, that's what the administration paid for them.

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  • [–] 32 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Here in Australia our racist nutbag pollie is pretending a poster that was dropped behind her could have been a bomb.. and now wants police protection

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    And people keep listening to her as if she's a champion for the working class. Fuck off Pauline you vapid cunt, people with more than 2 brain cells can see through your facade.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    You haven't heard? She's absolutely interested in uniting the nation into one.

    Which is why she openly hates woke people, greenies, lefties, first nation ceremonies (and therefore traditional first nations), people who don't speak english (also some of our first nations), trans people and migrants. She definitely tries to unite suspected war criminals too.

    In her defence, she does spend 1 day a year trying to unite everyone.. Australia day. Everyone MUST unite on that day, including first nations who were invaded that day at one time.

    And, she at least waited until the day after Australia day to release her "anti-woke" video and song which started openly attacking Aussies she deems are "unacceptable"

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