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And also: capitalism is failing the majority of people by continuing to funnel wealth to those who already have money. Voters are offered a choice between two options, neither of which actually want to solve this, because both major parties are controlled by wealthy corporate donors. The two-party system prevents any third party, no matter their platform, from having any chance at election.
Democratic socialist candidates got elected in NY because Mamdani is demonstrably helping people in actual, tangible ways. The most famous example is fixing potholes. This is a breath of fresh air for voter and is the same "sewer socialism" strategy used in the first half of the 1900s in wisconsin, which focused on pragmatically improving life for the general public...famously by improving the sewer system.
Recently, a (reputable) polling firm called me. It was about a survey on future prospects. One of the questions asked what I considered to be the most pressing problems people are currently facing. My answer was: billionaires, the ongoing centralization of the internet, and climate change.
Perhaps not the most eloquent answer, since all of these issues actually stem from the same root cause—namely, run-amok cutthroat capitalism—but off the top of my head, I couldn’t think of anything better.
Capitalism isn't failing. It's succeeding; doing exactly what it's always done.
"Liberal democracy" is failing, because it is an oxymoron. The concept of democracy being compatible with an economic system where every org is a plutocracy/oligarchy with enormous wealth (power) inequality, is a mass-delusional mental illness. It was never going to work on any meaningful timeline.
"Capitalism failing a majority" isn't "capitalism is failing".
The former statement is always true, because capitalism serves the winners which will always be a minority or move to become a minority if it isn't (how it got in that state is anyone's guess). The question is only how much it's failing the majority. The two's interests can align for a time, but the needs and wants of one are almost always in direct conflict with the other's. The failures currently are massive, thus why running on helping people and actually doing the job of government (its role in a so-called "mixed-economy") is working better than anti-socialist/communist rhetoric to combat it.
Soundbites are good, but so is replying to what the other person said(mostly so we don't put words in other people's mouths)
Yeah, that was some ambiguous wording on my part. To elaborate: Americans are told from birth that capitalism is this wonderful system that gives us freedom of choice, and that the free market causes the best products and the most well-run companies to prosper. This belief system is reflected in prosperity gospel, which is the same ideology but coated in a layer of religion. We americans are told that if we just work hard enough, we can be rich too.
But that's not how capitalism really works. The division of people into working and ruling classes, and the abstraction of value means that the more money you have, the more you can extract from the workers who actually produce the value. This reality is largely ignored, or suppressed, or denied.
So you have these massive numbers of people who were told capitalism will let them be "successful", ie financially secure and...it doesn't. There's only one grocery store in town so you buy what's available. There's no bus system so you buy a car and be in debt however long it takes. The so-called "free market" is dominated by actors who can afford to purchase their competition.
Capitalism works as intended by the elite who do more to uphold it than anyone else: they get more and more money. The nominal goal of prosperity and growth for all is never realized, and this is framed as individual failures rather than the effect of the system itself. "Just work harder and your boss will give you a raise!"
I don't want to be led. I want you to do the will of the fucking people, and not the will of the dollar.
Yeah, that was the line that got to me too.
People want to be followed. Maybe there are times when the politician sees the future before the people and needs to lead. But, right now it seems like both major US political parties are stuck in the past.
What Mandami is doing is listening, not leading. That's why he's popular. He has some ideas, like city-run grocery stores. They're probably good ideas. However, what's making him really popular is doing things like making sure the streets were cleared after the snowstorms and filling potholes. That's not leadership. That's simply listening to the voters and fixing the priority issues.
EXACTLY! This patronizing, leading by "you'll understand when you grow up" dogshit is not what REPRESENTATION means.
Turns out the establishment dems were the real conservatives all along. Imagine that. 9_9
I mean, from the outside looking in the USA has a conservative party and a fascist party. What America says is left wing politics the rest of the world calls centrist.
exactly. The Overton window is shifting back to normalcy, but the "centrists" still want to call themselves "liberals" because they have morally normal views on the wedge isssues.
but the “centrists” still want to call themselves “liberals” because they have morally normal views on the wedge isssues.
Which they abandon at the first hint of pushback.
I mean you're absolutely right, but on the other hand this is what it's always been. This country was founded by the first great, and most successful liberal Revolution. Liberals only believe in capitalism. They believed in private property, and by that I mean slaves. They believed in only rich white land owning males voting. And the definition of white was a lot fucking more narrow. Anglo-Saxon motherfuckers. Frankly the country's always been fairly far to the right. Other than a handful of very brief time periods, in which left leaning liberals were dragged kicking and screaming towards decency, the Overton window has always been somewhat to the right. Not this far obviously but still.
What America says is left wing politics the rest of the world calls centrist.
Center-right.
It's not that you don't have an actual left in the US. It's that they're either being categorically ignored and/or shunned into social obscurity by everyone else.
I do not want to be led, I want someone who will act like a hammer to be wielded by myself and my fellow voters so our collective arm can nail down our rights.
I'd change that to fellow citizens, there are more people than voters in a nation. Its important a voter remembers they aren't only casting that ballot to effect their own lives, but for all, including those that don't have a capacity or right to vote.
Examples include children, recent migrants, certain disabled persons.
Not to be contrarian, but I think we got into this whole mess because politicians started representing the will of people other than their voters. It should be up to the people to want to help and protect children, migrants and disabled non-voters, the politicians should just distill all their will into action in the political system. The whole point is I don't want a leader who acts on his own, I want a representative who does what he's told by the voters, the voters should be the ones who want better for all.
You can thank Republican donors for contributing: https://www.axios.com/2026/06/15/republican-primary-meddling-democrats-midterms-ny
They're boosting what they percieve to be "unelectable" candidates in Democratic primaries, but I think this effort will backfire.
Democrats did the same thing (boosting MAGA candidates in Republican primaries), and that backfired big time.
What happened in NY yesterday?
“Don’t fear the base, court it…”
Take a lesson from the Republicans.
Edit: current Democrat “base” is their corporate donors. So I have to qualify my statement with the idea that a social liberal/progressive will be courting the citizens, not Citizens United.
The Democratic Party leadership is corrupt and those individuals are more interested in maintaining their own proximity to wealth and power than “winning” or providing any material benefit or protection for their supposed constituents. They don’t lose because they’re incompetent or tone deaf, they lose because they want to.
*or rather, they lose because it’s preferable to the left gaining power and taxing the rich, ending the private co-opting of the commons, and expanding the welfare state.
Yeah but he has a laptop /s
We want less people addicted to online debate and more people active within their society. What do you think Madani was doing before getting elected. He was on the streets, in the churches, anywhere where people are. Not on a big platform making big statements.
No, we don't want to be fucking led, we are not sheep.
We want our elected officials to do the job they were elected to do, a job they all keep promising to do, a job for which the position exists to do, to work for the interests of the people. Elected officials are public servants, not leaders and should be following the will of the people, not telling the people what that will should be.
Mamdani's policies aren't him leading, it's him serving, serving the interests of the people and doing what we have wanted politicians to be doing this entire time. That you confuse serving, with leading, is a weird fucking rich kid perception of what being an elected official is and it's exactly why rich ppl shouldn't hold office.
Leadership isn't herding or commanding or necessary even guiding. It certainly doesn't need to be rooted in authority. Leadership can be inspiration, knowledge, observation, deference and delegation. It can mean being a role model or a teacher. I'd argue that the people who are the most effective leaders are the ones who enable others first, and lead by example. Barking orders has awful return on investment compared to building people up.
This dude leaderships. That coulda been right outta my army leadership course, which was surprisingly less about barking orders and more about fulfilling requirements and enabling awesome.
Army
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I bet if he said PLA book instead you’d be ok with it, right?
Does China not torture middle eastern people enough for you? You think it’s cute, it’s disgusting
So that's a yes then.
Service vs leadership is a false dichotomy. You can (and should) be a leader who serves. Mamdani is serving NYers in a leadership position. He makes the calls and has the responsibility for decisions that serve his constituents.
You can also be a servant who leads. the difference is that centrist democrats don't want to serve or lead. They want to rule over a compliant electorate that isn't permitted to question their actions or judgement.
You make a really good point there. We dont need leaders and theyre not leaxers. Theyre Representatives. WE tell THEM what to do. Many seem to have forgotten that
don’t want to be fucking led
Unless you are going out there and campaigning or operationally actually doing some-fucking-thing; you absolutely do want someone to lead and fulfill your desires. If you personally are not making it happen then you want someone else to take the lead on it.
You are allowed to have a belligerent sense of independence; just don't fool yourself.
I do not in fact want to be lead.
Do you take charge in effecting political/societal change for yourself (and your community)?
Or do you disagree with the other guy's requirements for what constitutes someone who does not want to be led?
You kinda just said "no."
'Take charge'. Explain what you mean by this.
As examples (as "taking charge" can take multiple forms across mutiple goals): table and/or moderate meetings to come to consensus on goals, coordinate members for coordinated actions toward social goals, source funding for operations if funds are needed, speak on behalf of your group (or coordinate group messaging) toward other groups. To name a few generic things. Specifics depend on what you want done.
To try and sum it up: "taking charge" is providing impetus, and potentially aligning community power, toward making headway to some social/political goal.
English is not a language of domination and hierarchy you need to be careful to avoid expressing that.
You might say 'initiative' if you were being careful and conscious.
I don't know what exactly you mean by "English is not a language of domination and hierarchy" or how that really relates to what I was saying or what I originally asked you. "Taking charge" is a extremely common idiom in English.
I will concede that "take initiative" is a more neutral phrase, but you have turned to nitpicking my diction, even after I spent another full comment explicating the meaning and intention of the original question.
So it is my turn to ask what you mean by sidestepping my question? If you are uninterested in answering the question, just say so. I have done with someone else in this very post. But don't think you can confuse me with literary legerdemain. You don't answer questions by saying "you could've phrased it better."
Sorry was originally writing that sarcastic because I assume nobody is literate and I should at least be having fun.
If I completely rewrite what you asked and assume the best, sure in some cases. Its not exactly what I want, but close enough. But you didn't actually write what I'm responding to here, so...
Elected officials are public servants, not leaders and should be following the will of the people, not telling the people what that will should be.
I was going to bring in something I saw in a different thread but then I noticed you were already there.
You seem convinced that "leaders" are necessarily authoritarian. I do not believe that, so there's not going to be much point to this.
That seems uncalled for. We just agreed that we're not gonna convince each other. I'm not pissed off by a thumbs up
If I pay a mechanic to fix my car, that ain't them leading. If I hire a politician to enact my will, that isn't them leading. You don't have to be the one personally doing the job.
They are, if the primary was for lower house seats, representatives. Their job (in theory) is to represent the collective wants and needs of their constituents to congress and vote or introduce bills accordingly. Unfortunately in most Western democracies this little fact seems to get forgotten by those who are elected and party politics tends to take over.
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