I don't like this take. "Put on your big boy pants & ship code" like what? Do the GrapheneOS devs owe us this? Absolutely not!

If you use the project, you should be more grateful for everything their doing. It is essentially charity work & their investing a lot of their time to fight back against surveillance & privacy threats. If they wanna ban people from their communities thats entirely their choice because their doing the world a favour by doing all this.

I'm not a GrapheneOS developer, nor part of the GrapheneOS team, I'm a GrapheneOS user and community member. I can't go ship code. Agreed that open source development is a difficult work environment due to some people feeling heavily entitled and those people being very vocal. As to for the actual GrapheneOS team, they would love to waste less time with responding to attacks and false information. However, it's a very normal, human response to not want misinformation about yourself and your project to thrive all across the internet. This also can hurt the project in many ways, it's not an ego thing.

I've had my fair share of personal experiences which the individual in question to know exactly who they are and where I stand on this issue. Thanks.

Go to therapy and do some introspection, Dan. You have a serious attitude problem that manifests itself as anti-social behavior. It's not a good look.

The blog post is false.

That wasn't what I meant by false. It was your phrase about the activity of project socials being mischaractered, which I still maintain it is not.

Other companies and projects have a tendency to take criticisms coming from the project as directed attacks.

It really depends what is said and how. As I have said before, and as the original comment you responded to said, the project socials (and community) constantly put down other projects and bring up grapheneOS in any discussion about ROMs. The problem is they seem to lack awareness and often ignore context.

For example, if I mentioned LineageOS as a good option for somebody who wants to degoogle their Samsung phone, you can bet that a grapheneOS maintainer or sympathiser will show up. They will inform everybody how insecure lineageos is, throw a bunch of technical terms around, and finally recommend the purchase of a google pixel and to flash it with grapheneOS. This happens regardless of what the original user says they want (a degoogled Samsung phone), here the question was asked (possibly thread about Samsung phones), what budget the user has (they might not have any to buy a new phone), and so on.

Your comments about them or the community "needing therapy" perpetuates that sentiment

I could call it "making objective criticism" like you call the actions of the grapheneOS maintainers and community. Do you understand now why that argument doesn't work? To you it may seem objective, but to others it is brigading, unwanted, annoying, and also insulting. Immediately entering every discussion about another ROM with a "that insecure" and "you might as well not have a passcode and hand over everything to Google" is far from the objective arguments you think the maintainers and community are making.

Hopefully it is more understandable now what I (and some others) take issue with. If grapheneOS maintainers and the community could just please stay on topic, make relevant comments, and be more diplomatic, maybe even supportive of other projects, that would improve their image so much...

Thank you for the civil discussion. I hope it can continue.

🙏 Thank you too.

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Stop listening to what other people say, just go & see for yourself.

I'm speaking from experience. Read my other responses to understand that it's not the technical feedback or whatever that I have trouble with. The GrapheneOS community inserts itself into every discussion about ROMs possible.

Someone brings up LineageOS for a OnePlus phone? Get a pixel and flash GrapheneOS. Someone brings up CalyxOS for a no pixel phone? Buy a pixel and flash GrapheneOS! So you bought a Volla phone with VollaOS? Wrong! You should've given Google your money for the most secure phone in the planet and flashed GrapheneOS! Oh, you don't have enough money for a new phone? Stop being poor and sell your assets because the TLAs are after you and your life is worthless without a Pixel and GrapheneOS! You think the pyramid of needs starts with food and physical safety? Guess what! That'd wrong again, because it starts with digital safety and that means GrapheneOS!

It feels even worse than the damn "Arch BTW" people, because we know it's a goddamn meme but the GrapheneOS people are serious. It's as if GrapheneOS is a status symbol that makes them levitate above the rest of us lowly LineageOS, CalyxOS, eOS, VollaOS, custom ROM plebs. As if GrapheneOS is the final stage of enlightenment that Buddha reached before he flashed his Pixel and ascended.

That's what the OP was talking about and I am too.

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