timbuck2themoon comments on GrapheneOS: Another contributor attacked & banned by Daniel Micay


Why I was banned from GrapheneOS by Daniel Micay)

[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It's a good product but yes, the team is ridiculous. Either because they do this incessantly or never stop the people doing it.

How hard is it to just let your product speak for itself? I wouldn't trust the team because they insist on making an echo chamber and mountains out of molehills. It simply reads as a team that isn't stable.

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[–] tranquil_cassowary@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It's a team of around 10 full time developers and also other project members with moderation responsibilities. Some of them sadly have to deal with adressing harassment on a daily basis yes. But what is the alterantive? Just letting yourself be harassed? Would you also reply like this to a person getting bullied? "Just ingore the bullies, don't defend yourself against them and let your personality speak for yourself!" That's not fair. GrapheneOS has every right to defend themselves.

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[–] burgerchurgarr@lemmus.org 8 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

Just put on your big boy pants and ship code man. I know open source development is tough, you don’t do it for the money and you deal with lots of idiots who act like you owe them something. But you’re wasting your time with them and it seems to me like it’s more about ego than anything else

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[–] Zaptosis@monero.town 0 points 1 year ago

I don't like this take. "Put on your big boy pants & ship code" like what? Do the GrapheneOS devs owe us this? Absolutely not!

If you use the project, you should be more grateful for everything their doing. It is essentially charity work & their investing a lot of their time to fight back against surveillance & privacy threats. If they wanna ban people from their communities thats entirely their choice because their doing the world a favour by doing all this.

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[–] tranquil_cassowary@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm not a GrapheneOS developer, nor part of the GrapheneOS team, I'm a GrapheneOS user and community member. I can't go ship code. Agreed that open source development is a difficult work environment due to some people feeling heavily entitled and those people being very vocal. As to for the actual GrapheneOS team, they would love to waste less time with responding to attacks and false information. However, it's a very normal, human response to not want misinformation about yourself and your project to thrive all across the internet. This also can hurt the project in many ways, it's not an ego thing.

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[–] burgerchurgarr@lemmus.org 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

Look I have no idea about all of the community drama and I don’t care if you are a community member of the leading dev. I’m shipping code every day and if someone talks shit, let them talk, I literally don’t have time for it because I’m busy shipping code. So if you just code and not react, what are those vocal people gonna do about it? Jump out of their screens and beat you up irl?

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[–] tranquil_cassowary@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

I think you underestimate the burden of misinformation being spread about you and your passion project online, and having a KiwiFarms thread about you on the internet. The harassment also has a real life impact because the founder has been swatted multiple times, endangering their lifes. So they can sadly do much more harm than just being a keyboard warrior. And besides that, it also has an impact on cooperation the project can do with other organisations and companies. GrapheneOS has asked whether other organisaties would want to share their Android partner access with them and they got replies stating that they would want to share the partner access but will refrain from sharing it becuase they were scared that if people found out they helped that they would also get harassed. Also, GrapheneOS had tried for many years to get a cooperation with a non-Google OEM to support other hardware than just Pixels and the harassment has also been an issue for things like that in the past. Luckily, GrapheneOS is currently in active talks with an OEM though who hasn't taken any issue with it, so let's hope for the best.

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