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Cinema fall is comming (lemmy.ml)
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[–] 19 points 1 year ago (37 children)

Guardians of the Galaxy 3 and Deadpool & Wolverine were good. Nothing since then has looked interesting.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four were both really good. Actually, I thought Ironheart was really good too.

    It really feels like every other movie since Endgame has been really good or really bad.

    Ant-Man 3, The Marvels, and Captain America 4 were various degrees of not good.

    Echo and Secret Invasion weren't good either (actually, I think overall the shows have had a better track record overall).

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I agree. I haven't seen Thunderbolts yet, but I just saw Fantastic Four last night and thought it was actually really good compared to a lot of the other recent Marvel movies. Even the ones I liked all felt like they had the same script more or less, but this one it seemed like they went for less action and easy jokes and just focused on the characters and the story. I liked it a lot.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Fantastic Four is good? I'll have to see it at some point, then. Those poor characters have never managed to be in a good movie before now, so I kinda forgot there was a new MCU one.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It's pretty much the perfect Fantastic Four movie. They're actually characters in this one instead of caricatures of their main personality traits.

    And it's lighter on action and heavier on the story. Without giving away too much, it feels a lot more appropriate for the characters.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (28 children)

    I found Deadpool & Wolverene supremely painful. Matter of taste I suppose. Haven't seen any other dress-up movies in a while.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Haven't seen any other dress-up movies in a while.

    Isn’t every movie a dress-up movie?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    What did you find painful about it? While I dont think it was historic level cinema, I fid find it entertaining.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Not OP but personally the plot was a monumental example of wasted potential with regards to the plot. The villain's motivations being the poorest.

    Even then, fight scenes between basically immortal self-healing characters are a snoozefest. Add that to the imo hit-but-mostly-miss humour and you're just waiting for the credits to roll really.

    I honestly think I'd rather watch Eternals, and that was pretty bad too.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (12 children)

    Are you going to name something you like so we can shit all over your tastes, or just point at things you hate like a coward? One might say, and I will, that you're dumb if you go into a movie like Deadpool and Wolverine looking for a cinematic masterpiece rather than fan service and violence.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I don't mind a good bit of fanservice and violence, but that's also kind of why I felt D&W was a bit disappointing. The fanservice was kinda mediocre as a lot of characters were just "mentioned" rather than properly explored, and as I said violence between unkillable characters is kinda dull. I have enjoyed a lot of the other Marvel movies though, most of them even (and that includes stuff like Age of Ultron and Iron Man 3 that a lot of people seem to like shitting on). Non-Marvel I quite liked the Dungeons & Dragons movie, I thoroughly enjoyed that one. It's not a cinematic masterpiece or anything, but the characters are likable and have some depth and development, there's a decent plot going on and there's enough fanservice for DnD fans to go around.

    No need to get so defensive if someone doesn't like something you like.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I definitely agree with you that DnD was legit, it deserved far more attention than it got, and not just for the writing and performances.

    You can call that defensiveness if you like; I think that downplays the intent of pointing out the constant barrage of painfully biased internet whiners regarding anything comic book related at play culturally, but I'd argue there's an objective measure that's unfair in your criticism. In D&W the interpersonal violence is an extension of emotional processing, and an expression of who the characters are, and also why they are uniquely suited to help each other heal in ways their powers can't help with. Basically, violence is all they know and how they both solve all their problems, and being unkillable gives an opportunity to work out other traumas without they typical consequence of ending people who would want to help. But yeah of course there's an element of bias at play for all of us, and flaws in every movie to varying degrees.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Lol simmer down, bud. You didn't make the movie; you just liked it. No need to take it personally

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    bud

    Downvoted

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I think I responded to the wrong person initially, but can I ask why saying "bud" is bad?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Because you're using language to try to "win" an argument simply by infantilising the opposition.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    That's not what happened

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    What was your goal then?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    To tell someone to chill out. I could have said man or pal or friend, but I chose "bud" this time. I don't think it's an infantilizing term at all

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Hmm, ok. Bud can come off a little condescending but I see you meant no ill will.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There is a significant difference between something being entertaining to watch in the moment, and it being good.

    I watched D&W in theaters with my boyfriend. Had a deadpool themed margarita. Had an excellent time, highly recommend.

    Hours after leaving the theater, I started actually thinking about the movie. The more I thought about it the more I decided that it actually wasn't very good. At the time, I had a detailed list of complaints. I've forgotten the details since then.

    The broad strokes though, it's insulting.

    D&W actively disregards and insults established MCU canon. They had a chance to expand the lore, instead they shat on it.

    The best moments in the movie could be described as "HEY! HERE'S THAT THING YOU LIKE!!! YOU LIKE THIS RIGHT?!?! LIKE THIS!!!" Which is the most disrespectful kind of reference you can do, as it's insulting to the media and even more so to the audience.

    Ryan Renolds has a writing credit for this movie, and he has demonstrated that he fundamentally does not understand the metaphysics of marvel comics. Therefore, his commentary on the state of the MCU can fuck off. Sure, the later MCU movies had a lot of problems, but I can tell that myself, I have the power of media literacy on my side, so I can tell when the pot is calling the kettle black.

    If I were willing to actually put effort into it, I could come up with actual examples to go with my complaints, but I don't feel like watching the movie again any time soon.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Did you like the first 2 Deadpool movies? If so, what was worse about this one?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It was lazy, it just did the same as before without adding anything new. It felt like watching the first one on repeat, sped up.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Huh, I think that just wrong. The character of Deadpool is still him, which would be strange to change, but I think alot of it was unexplored before and an interesting contribution to the Loki storyverse. Also Hugh Jackman did a great job reprising the role of wolverine.

    Deadpool is a meta character, but despite that (or because of it?) I think it's a fresh take on the state of the MCU each time, taking pot shots at the existing formula from within it.

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