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[–] 271 points 1 year ago (154 children)
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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Gore’s election was the first I could vote in.

    I voted for Kucinich in the primary and then traded my vote for Gore in a swing state for a vote for Nader in MA.

    Then my “Al Gore won the votes” bumper sticker was torn off my car while I was at work at Cracker Barrel.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Will you please tell me more about trading your vote? Are there communities online where you can meet people willing to do that? How did you do it during the bush/gore election? Online? I live in MA, I'd trade a vote w a swing stater, assuming we have elections again.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yep, it was done over the internet. The idea was to get Nader to 3% without electing Bush.

    Neither happened because people are terrible and we can’t have nice things.

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  • [–] 105 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (59 children)

    Harris ran on a continuation of existing beneficial politics with a trend of effectiveness and some tuning after she took over the post.

    In short, her position was

    ** gestures at 4 years of positive tending numbers **

    . Oh: and not fucking up the treason trial for Trump.

    But the sparkle junkies need everything to pop-pop-pop, so incremental improvement wasnt as good as destruction of America.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Yeah, consequences like FDR getting elected President four times in a row. That was the last time the Democrats had a popular President.

    I'm not sure if you noticed, but America's ability to do much of anything is being dismantled before our eyes. The Democrats played it safe, so voters looked elsewhere.

    60 years of unbelievable productivity gains and new technologies, and life has only gotten harder. I think we could do better than that. Bullshit excuses are easy to accept when it hasn't hit you yet.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Trump: ok so stocks went down 50% because of me, but look since then it's up 80% !!!

    Maga crowd: Yess, wooow!!!

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There are absolutely lots of people that don't understand that down 50% and up 80% means you just lost 10%.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    Biden's administration was a dam holding back fascism. It was never going to make the river disappear but it definitely slowed things down and if we continued that path we eventually would have real permanent solutions.

    People blame Democrats but we haven't had 50 of them in the senate without caucus in over a decade.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    So I've been going on and on about how "democrats bad" is a huge narrative being pushed hard on Lemmy. Always with the caveat that criticism is warranted, when it's specific and targeted.

    This is specific and targeted. This is how you properly criticize Dems. But that wouldn't jive with the people seeding that other narrative. They don't want to be helpful. They're not interested in how to get other people to vote. Their objective is the opposite.

    Maybe the Dems should switch their incremental improvement to the fact that they need billionaires to buy them votes before their dollars turn into rubles. Yeah, the number is bigger. Look how much good that does the Russians.

    They should be supporting both Elon-style directly, and indirectly through accepting tax policy to allow us to do big things. Find smart policies to support medical school so that we can push for more doctors/nurses the way we did for Software Devs from 1995-2015. Create actual medicare for all to finally get rid of the odd tie between your employer and your healthcare. Support real freight so we can have fewer semis destroying our roads and creating traffic. Support mass transit so we need fewer roads and can have more walkable spaces with more available housing. (Mass transit enables realistic high density housing.) Change Trump's stupid ass tariffs to be a response to climate change, now that we've developed better tech to see where the CO2 is coming from.

    Raise the federal minimum wage. Reduce the work week to 36 hours, with real teeth in overtime requirements and salary exemptions. Recreate the Civilian Conservation Corps to make sure everyone who's willing to put in real work can find a job, even if AI doesn't like their resume.

    Healthcare, traffic, and work are the biggest things everyone in the country has to deal with. Address the things that actually affect people's lives. This is how your dollars stay dollars instead of turning into rubles. The billionaires might have less of them, but they're worth more. When people are less desperate, everyone's lives are better.

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  • [–] 58 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    I'm so glad that the one that did win ended the genocide, got us universal healthcare, and decreased military spending... oh wait....

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Welcome to the reality of the broken US voting system bud

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  • [+] 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    In most of the US, who you vote for literally doesn't matter, because your state will go to the candidate from whatever party has won your state for the last couple decades. Unless you live in the 8 or so states that could actually, realistically flip in a given election cycle, there's literally no point in voting for the lesser of two evils.

    I am aware of this, last I checked there were number electorates where non-voters (as compared with 2020) and third-party voters could have swayed the outcome. My assertion that not voting for the lesser of two evils where possible to do so is dumb in general. I am aware that certain places it is pointless to vote for the democrats.

    Especially with the hodge-podge nature of it not really bring a federal election, and instead being a bunch of state/territory elections with different rules for each (gross).

    If you understand that [you're in a very safe seat], you can be free to actually vote your conscience and pick one of the third party candidates

    I agree. Where I draw the line is in seats where it is possible to vote lesser of two evils.

    Seems you understand tactical voting quite well! I have no issue with you.

    I only have a problem with the drop-kicks that assert tactical voting is morally wrong, instead of necessary.

    Godspeed on fixing your voting systems friend

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Harris was the correct option.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (37 children)

    And Trump? What’s his policy about the environment? Please, do enlighten us!

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    The Rapture. Trump's plan is to utilize the environment to Rapture the entire species, all at once.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You just read highly classified top secret plans regarding mass emigration to the Kingdom of God.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    That’s the awesome part about democracy: you get one of two shitty choices.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Other countries don't have this problem, most picked other voting forms than "first past the post", which over time destroyed our ability to have more than two actual serious political parties. So both those parties get overtaken by ethically dubious people, overtly for the entire republican party, and subtly with the establishment democrats, and it all collapses.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    As much as I hate having to use the word, this genuinely is whataboutism. You're being provided with a legitimate criticism of one candidate and instead of actually addressing it you just point to a different candidate.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    As always, any criticism for harris is interpreted in bad faith as support for trump.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I’m tired of these people pointing at one candidate’s speck of dust, while ignoring the other candidate’s plank to justify not voting against a fascist dictator.

    You assume that about anyone with any criticism whatsoever of harris.

    I voted for harris; you just can't abide anything other than unconditional worship of her.

    Maybe she was. Maybe she wasn’t far left enough. And so, because of that one specific detail, that as enough to tip the balance and swing the vote for the guy who is not only very pro fracking, but also for destroying the entire ecosystem and environment scorched-earth style.

    And you're doubling down on the bad faith assumption that criticism of harris is support for trump.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    When did I say I was fine with it? Also we are still doing that too. GTFO with your all bad choices are equally bad bullshit. That's not how the world works.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    The feddieverse is still a small place, so PSA @BrainInABox@lemmy.ml is really just here to troll some both sides stuff. If you try to have some dialog where you ask what their alternative is they will just never answer. They are just here to troll and grand stand about how much they care, but not enough to do something material for the cause.

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