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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Gore’s election was the first I could vote in.

    I voted for Kucinich in the primary and then traded my vote for Gore in a swing state for a vote for Nader in MA.

    Then my “Al Gore won the votes” bumper sticker was torn off my car while I was at work at Cracker Barrel.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Will you please tell me more about trading your vote? Are there communities online where you can meet people willing to do that? How did you do it during the bush/gore election? Online? I live in MA, I'd trade a vote w a swing stater, assuming we have elections again.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yep, it was done over the internet. The idea was to get Nader to 3% without electing Bush.

    Neither happened because people are terrible and we can’t have nice things.

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  • [–] 105 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (59 children)

    Harris ran on a continuation of existing beneficial politics with a trend of effectiveness and some tuning after she took over the post.

    In short, her position was

    ** gestures at 4 years of positive tending numbers **

    . Oh: and not fucking up the treason trial for Trump.

    But the sparkle junkies need everything to pop-pop-pop, so incremental improvement wasnt as good as destruction of America.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    "Changing shit means you have to adapt."

    So you're saying it's better to have the devil we know in the form of all the expected problems? What kind of regressive nonsense is this?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Most economies are neoliberal/neoclassical, they're literally a poverty cult based on empirically proven wrong axioms such as "printing money creates inflation", "rising the minimum wage creates unemployment", or "public expenditure in healthcare, pensions and education is bad for the economy". You should do the opposite of what most economists preach.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    "Oh, you haven't taken capitalist propaganda courses regarding economics? Then your opinion is invalid"

    As a matter of fact, people who teach against neoliberalism are in some universities. Prof. Richard Wolff, or Dr. Eduardo Garzón are a few of them. The fact that you took your econ-101 course to be gospel about reality without questioning the experimental validity of the models proponed by neoliberals tells me more about you than the name of any courses you've taken.

    This isn’t that common as most of the studies done recently suggests this is not the case.

    It isn't that common?! For fuck's sake, mate, it's literally the main argument used against rising minimum wages every single time the "debate" pops up. Rising minimum wages is such an obviously moral thing to do, that the only possible objection to it for the vast majority of the population is technical. That's why the CIA put gazillions of dollars in the Economics academia over the past half a century to propagate neoliberalism. Yes, recent empyrical studies suggest this is not the case because most of the information floating around the field of economics is a lie.

    Currency minting literally doesn't serve even as a modest predictor of inflation. Look at a graph of inflation in the EU or in the US for the past 60 years. Try and match it with money creation, and you'll see exactly 0 correlation. You'll get the same with Japan and with UK, and with China. Look at the absolutely astonishing amounts of money created by the EU after the 2010 Euro crisis (M2 or M3 aggregates, huh, funny that I know that terminology, even without being brainwashed at the econ faculty?) and the CPI over that time. Now look at a single historical event (2022 Ukraine invasion) and the resulting inflationary tendencies, PROVEN EMPYRICALLY to be caused by rising energy prices due to natural gas, famously NOT because of a money minting event. Seriously, you're just propagating empirically demonstrated lies.

    When I say you shouldn't trust most economists, I don't mean you should trust no economist. I mean most contemporary economists have been brainwashed into believing in neoliberal propaganda that permeated academia and public policy since the Reagan/Thatcher/Milton Friedman era, when the CIA decided Keynesian economics weren't oppressive enough to poor people. Economics is a beautiful field to study, but believing a neoliberal economist with regards to public policy would be like treating cancer with acupuncture.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Yeah, consequences like FDR getting elected President four times in a row. That was the last time the Democrats had a popular President.

    I'm not sure if you noticed, but America's ability to do much of anything is being dismantled before our eyes. The Democrats played it safe, so voters looked elsewhere.

    60 years of unbelievable productivity gains and new technologies, and life has only gotten harder. I think we could do better than that. Bullshit excuses are easy to accept when it hasn't hit you yet.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Let me try to explain something to you. "Large" is not a fixed concept, it's a relative measure. Can you point to me where any bill or proposal for increasing the minimum wage has proposed doing it overnight? They always get phased in, even in the most progressive proposals. When you say "large", or even "large sweeping", no body is going to presume that you are jumping to something that far out of scope.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Trump: ok so stocks went down 50% because of me, but look since then it's up 80% !!!

    Maga crowd: Yess, wooow!!!

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There are absolutely lots of people that don't understand that down 50% and up 80% means you just lost 10%.

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  • Yeah, my stocks are almost back to where they were at the beginning of the year, and it's almost 100% due to Trump messing w/ tariffs. I'm not rich or anything, but seeing my retirement savings fluctuate at Trump's whims doesn't feel great.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Good thing Trump ended that huh

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    Biden's administration was a dam holding back fascism. It was never going to make the river disappear but it definitely slowed things down and if we continued that path we eventually would have real permanent solutions.

    People blame Democrats but we haven't had 50 of them in the senate without caucus in over a decade.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    So I've been going on and on about how "democrats bad" is a huge narrative being pushed hard on Lemmy. Always with the caveat that criticism is warranted, when it's specific and targeted.

    This is specific and targeted. This is how you properly criticize Dems. But that wouldn't jive with the people seeding that other narrative. They don't want to be helpful. They're not interested in how to get other people to vote. Their objective is the opposite.

    Maybe the Dems should switch their incremental improvement to the fact that they need billionaires to buy them votes before their dollars turn into rubles. Yeah, the number is bigger. Look how much good that does the Russians.

    They should be supporting both Elon-style directly, and indirectly through accepting tax policy to allow us to do big things. Find smart policies to support medical school so that we can push for more doctors/nurses the way we did for Software Devs from 1995-2015. Create actual medicare for all to finally get rid of the odd tie between your employer and your healthcare. Support real freight so we can have fewer semis destroying our roads and creating traffic. Support mass transit so we need fewer roads and can have more walkable spaces with more available housing. (Mass transit enables realistic high density housing.) Change Trump's stupid ass tariffs to be a response to climate change, now that we've developed better tech to see where the CO2 is coming from.

    Raise the federal minimum wage. Reduce the work week to 36 hours, with real teeth in overtime requirements and salary exemptions. Recreate the Civilian Conservation Corps to make sure everyone who's willing to put in real work can find a job, even if AI doesn't like their resume.

    Healthcare, traffic, and work are the biggest things everyone in the country has to deal with. Address the things that actually affect people's lives. This is how your dollars stay dollars instead of turning into rubles. The billionaires might have less of them, but they're worth more. When people are less desperate, everyone's lives are better.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I voted for Gore, but a bunch of my moron friends voted for Nader in that election. And Nader an ego was so big he could never admit fault for fucking up the next 2 decades of our country.

    Now it looks like we fucked for the rest of this century.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (37 children)

    And Trump? What’s his policy about the environment? Please, do enlighten us!

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    The Rapture. Trump's plan is to utilize the environment to Rapture the entire species, all at once.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You just read highly classified top secret plans regarding mass emigration to the Kingdom of God.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The heritage foundations actual plan. Why we are funding the war in Israel. Isreal needs the one state solution so white evangelicals can have their rapture.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    That’s the awesome part about democracy: you get one of two shitty choices.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Other countries don't have this problem, most picked other voting forms than "first past the post", which over time destroyed our ability to have more than two actual serious political parties. So both those parties get overtaken by ethically dubious people, overtly for the entire republican party, and subtly with the establishment democrats, and it all collapses.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Other countries don't have this problem

    Have you seen the recent elections in Germany, Poland or France? Literally the entire western world is at risk of fascism. The problem isn't "first past the post", the problem is capitalism.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    As much as I hate having to use the word, this genuinely is whataboutism. You're being provided with a legitimate criticism of one candidate and instead of actually addressing it you just point to a different candidate.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    As always, any criticism for harris is interpreted in bad faith as support for trump.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I’m tired of these people pointing at one candidate’s speck of dust, while ignoring the other candidate’s plank to justify not voting against a fascist dictator.

    You assume that about anyone with any criticism whatsoever of harris.

    I voted for harris; you just can't abide anything other than unconditional worship of her.

    Maybe she was. Maybe she wasn’t far left enough. And so, because of that one specific detail, that as enough to tip the balance and swing the vote for the guy who is not only very pro fracking, but also for destroying the entire ecosystem and environment scorched-earth style.

    And you're doubling down on the bad faith assumption that criticism of harris is support for trump.

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